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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? *DELETED* [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8009228 - 02/11/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #8009286 - 02/11/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think a lot of the what people are describing when they talk about cartoonland and such is actually mostly precieved and not truly visual. You may even remember it as visual but in reality being completely transported into another world like that is extremely disorienting. You may sit around your house and things are kind of swaying and dancing and maybe even stretching and distorting and colors are more vibrant so it reminds you of doctor sues or a cartoon.

I don't want to discount the possibility completely I am just saying. I have a friend who always talks about cartoon vision when he's high but he isn't really seeing cartoons he's just imagining it that way, it isn't a truly visual experience.

It may just be hard for me to imagine that since I tend to control my trips, in the sense that when I don't want to get strong visuals I don't have to, but when I want them all I have to do is look. I can see where if you got completely caught up in a trip and let it go kind of wild then this may become truly visual.

Don't get me wrong I get visuals but I tend to agree with the OP, except that when you really let go on a strong trip I have gone some pretty crazy places, so I can't say someone couldn't end up in a cartoonish type universe.




I think you've wrapped up what I was trying to say pretty nicely. It may be reminiscent of a cartoon land or it may remind you of what you've seen in cartoony artwork (since in fact so much of it is probably based on or inspired by the use of psychedelics) but it's not any kind of cartoon land in the sense that everything becomes 2-d and you can't distinguish your cartoon world from reality.

Of course, the colors do intensify, but even on mild trips for me to equate them to cartoon-like visuals would be doing psychedelics a grave injustice since the visual beauty is so much more than just a cartoon. What I think I have against this concept of the cartoon-world is that so many people who don't understand psychedelics and denigrate them may look at that cartoon land as in fact exactly what happens when you take them, completely disregarding the absolute enrichment and benefits they can provide wether they be intellectual, spiritual, or visual and artistic.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: future]
    #8009337 - 02/11/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description.  Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.

I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend :mushroom2::rastamon:




You make a good point, and I do indeed agree with the fact that you can probably best describe some scenescapes or visual immersions while on mushrooms as "cartoony". I tend to see alot of cartoon-like ducks with LSD and some RC's, but very different from his description of cartoon visuals.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that his story also recounts eating $200 worth of mushrooms, which around here is over half an ounce. And while that is entirely possible, it's unlikely since this guy can't even afford bud light (he drinks natty ice) and I can't see him stomaching that much fungal material.

Oh, and get this, he describes the mushrooms he ate as "the good ones, the ones with the purple ring around them" and that they had blue caps with white dots all over. Still not sounding like BS?

In any case, I find myself abandoning RC's and entactogens and gravitating much more towards mushrooms since I find the trips to be much cleaner feeling and more gratifying. Maybe one day when I try P. Azurescens, I may find myself fully encapsulated in a cartoon world talking to smurfs. Until then, I remain skeptical.




I'll sum it up for you. Your friend likes to over do it yes. However, "cartoon land" as some people are calling it, does very well exist.

It's where everything you see looks 3-D and no longer looks real but instead "cartoony colorful".




I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.

Almost all of my psychedelic experiences come with strong visuals and yes, very fantastical sort of ethereal ones at that, but they look even more real than reality to me. If I see a winged pegausus and a phoenix flying across the sky, vibrating and flowing with colors (which I have), it would never look at all "cartoony" to me (not in fact 2-d, maybe 4-d, and even if it were 2-d it wouldn't simply fit into our conventional thought on 2-d), not even like a special effect because in fact it "looks" and "feels" so real to me that it BECOMES reality and in no way can an experience like that be described as or paralleled with any cartoon. That's just night and day my friend.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8010524 - 02/11/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

then again
you might be too sure of yourself.
100 trips is not that much


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: civil twilight]
    #8010745 - 02/11/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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man i've been to cartoon land, candy land, and even lego land for that matter



yeah man evil candy land can be a bitch til your there in person


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8011311 - 02/11/08 11:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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then again
you might be too sure of yourself.
100 trips is not that much




I'd say it's enough to make the kind of assertions I'm making. If you visit a local bar 100 times, you come to know the regulars, the drink menu and prices, where the bathroom is, etc.

I'm comfortable when I trip and it's all very familiar to me, almost like coming home, so maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Point is, my experience with "drug people" is that you have to be skeptical or you will be steamrolled, and I am not going to take this guys story for fact any time soon.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8011324 - 02/11/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've had cartoon like visuals but it's always been 3d. I've had acid trips on 3-4 hits that remind me of a 60's color cartoon in 3d.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8011333 - 02/11/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.



Ever heard of cel shading? Go play Zelda: Wind Waker or Jet Set Radio and you will see what a 3d cartoon looks like. Yes these visuals do happen, I have experienced them myself. Why are you doubting an entirely subjective experience that someone had?


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: ikku]
    #8011337 - 02/11/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

By cartoon people mean things appear in the same color pattern, shape design, and overall appearance. Not a two dimensional comic book. At least that's how its been in my case and everyone else I know.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: ikku]
    #8011433 - 02/11/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.



Ever heard of cel shading? Go play Zelda: Wind Waker or Jet Set Radio and you will see what a 3d cartoon looks like. Yes these visuals do happen, I have experienced them myself. Why are you doubting an entirely subjective experience that someone had?




You're pointing out some pretty crappy games considering that Dragon Quest VIII also used cell shading. These are still 2-d pixels in a 3 dementional environment, that is what cell shading refers to, and being immersed in a world where everything around you looks like that is so completely uncharacteristic of ANY psychedelic compound that has yet to be discovered or synthesized that it's just that unlikely for me to disregard its validity.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8011963 - 02/12/08 03:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

F U.

cartoonland trips exist. face it.

is toy story a cartoon? yes. is that shit 3d? yes.

i have had very 2d vision on shrooms much like waking life movie.


just cus there are no descriptions in books doesnt mean its not real.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8011982 - 02/12/08 03:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I had a 2CB trip that was very much "cartoony" :yesnod:

No BS.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8012170 - 02/12/08 06:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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then again
you might be too sure of yourself.
100 trips is not that much




I'd say it's enough to make the kind of assertions I'm making. If you visit a local bar 100 times, you come to know the regulars, the drink menu and prices, where the bathroom is, etc.

I'm comfortable when I trip and it's all very familiar to me, almost like coming home, so maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Point is, my experience with "drug people" is that you have to be skeptical or you will be steamrolled, and I am not going to take this guys story for fact any time soon.




the shroomery might seem like a cocktail party (or kareoke joint)
but
psychedelic experience is not the local bar :rolleyes:


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8012174 - 02/12/08 06:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I could easily argue that everything looking 3-d is in fact opposite from a "cartoon land". A cartoon land to me would be 2-d carachters looking exactly as they would if you were watching cartoons in a 3 dimensional environment that also seems to have 2-d walls, furniture, etc. The concept of literally seeing these visuals exactly as I have described them while tripping on ANYTHING seems very very very highly unlikely.



Ever heard of cel shading? Go play Zelda: Wind Waker or Jet Set Radio and you will see what a 3d cartoon looks like. Yes these visuals do happen, I have experienced them myself. Why are you doubting an entirely subjective experience that someone had?




You're pointing out some pretty crappy games considering that Dragon Quest VIII also used cell shading. These are still 2-d pixels in a 3 dementional environment, that is what cell shading refers to, and being immersed in a world where everything around you looks like that is so completely uncharacteristic of ANY psychedelic compound that has yet to be discovered or synthesized that it's just that unlikely for me to disregard its validity.



Never mind the quality of the games I was just pointing out the style. THAT's what a cartoon land trip looks like, and yes they exist. I and many others posting in this thread have been there. Why do you continue to say it's utterly impossible when anecdotal evidence proves otherwise? You can't do a scientific test on the compounds and say that cartoonland can't exist because it's uncharacteristic of the compound, trips don't work like that, it's called SUBJECTIVITY, anecdotal evidence is the only evidence that counts and it proves that cartoonland trips happen. Seems kinda ignorant for you to come on here, ask a question, and when enough people disagree with you to prove you wrong you still won't admit it. I feel bad for your friend that he had to argue about this with you.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: ikku]
    #8012193 - 02/12/08 06:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He was probably exaggerating, but cartoon land does exist.

Short and sweet.

Now put somethin' in the air mang.  :bigblunt:


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8012228 - 02/12/08 06:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i've had the cartoon land type trip brah, more than once. god bless tivo, after my last mushroom trip i had 2 mythbusters eps recorded because i was sure discovery aired them as a joke.. nothing could be that cartoon looking.
no joke.

mushrooms are awesome, your friend isn't lying, maybe your trips just suck compared to his


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: zSDMF]
    #8013148 - 02/12/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i've had the cartoon land type trip brah, more than once. god bless tivo, after my last mushroom trip i had 2 mythbusters eps recorded because i was sure discovery aired them as a joke.. nothing could be that cartoon looking.
no joke.

mushrooms are awesome, your friend isn't lying, maybe your trips just suck compared to his




His was ONE experience, and he wasn't excited about it, nor did he seem to enjoy it nearly as much as I enjoy mine. I assure you, my trips do not "suck" compared to his, if in fact the cartoon land scenario was the extent of his experience with mushrooms.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8013532 - 02/12/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I really don't see why this is so important to you... Why can't you just let it go? Who cares what he says he experienced?

You seem to be taking it personally. Live and let live brother :heart:


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8013539 - 02/12/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think you'd do well to take a step back from this conversation and ask yourself,

Why are you so concerned with defining the psychedelic experience, and why are you presuming to validate the interpretations that others put on their own, personal experiences with psychedelics?


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8013560 - 02/12/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i find it hard to believe you've tripped a few times and you haven't got the cartoon phenomena locked in your head before. it's a pretty common trip theme for a lot of people i know irl. it's so easy to lead yourself on tripping. cartoon land and a video game reality are my two favorite mindsets to go into, unless i'm shooting for some kind of therapeutic trip.. and i've only done that once or twice.


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