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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: handicappedrat]
    #8007396 - 02/11/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:grin: Lol i went to wonderland on LSD, Cactus another time, another time just pot and booze. i deffinatly like wonderland and will most likely have some maigic tea there. wink wink for the few who know what im talking about if your not them then you should find wonderland i guess. but yeah on a totally differnt note tea took me to a place that was like evil candyland then i went to a party that had that vibe or really i was at a festival that i went there in person camped on candy cane lane but once there i realized how much i loved the damn place. its funny how i find myself going physically to places i went to on a trip obe


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: creekfreek]
    #8007439 - 02/11/08 01:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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creekfreek said:
The last time I shroomed,my girlfriend and I were at a party with a bunch of people. She,at one point saw peoples faces as skulls.
I have heard of others seeing skulls also, but I personally have never seen them myyself.
So dont dis-believe your friend, just because it never happened to you.

Peace




I don't think any of you are fully understanding what I'm saying. I have alot of tripping experience and of course there are visuals involving peoples faces and fantastical unrealistic environments (inclusing the skulls example), but visualizing and BELIEVEING you are in some kind of 2-d land is bullshit. Of all my experiences this just seems to be so limited and impossible, and frankly idiotic and I think he was just bs-ing to sound "cool".

When I tried to tell him that that's not what a mushroom trip is like, that you don't just see flying pink elephants and you don't hold conversations with smurts that you think are there he got defensive, but it's OBVIOUSLY bullshit.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8007453 - 02/11/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
cartoon land type trips are common
i have been there and written about it from salvia several times,
certainly possible with weed and with acid/shrooms.

checking the legitimacy of the guy's trip seems a bit small-town-ish, like the village mentality that leads to witch detection.
maybe you are already there but don't know it!




Don't even try to tell me that cartoon trips are "common". I probably have had over 100 psychedelic experiences over a span of dozens of substances, including your Salvia, I've read literature from Leary to Shulgin, McKenna to Strassman and more and this in no way seems to be common.

I can understand cartoony visuals from time to time, or the image of a character from tv appearing out if it's tv encapsulation, on a wall and suh, but being immersed in a cartoon land and BELIEVEING you are in it is a different story and completely uncommon.

I am very open-minded but Its good to be skeptical from time to time, don't you think? Don't you ever accuse me of having a small-town mentality. I live and grew up in one of the most liberal cities in the country and among the five largest as well. Definitely the most diverse, so I can tell you I'm open to believeing pretty much anything, as long as it's rational and credible.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8007556 - 02/11/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Both sides of the argument are easily reconciled. We use the language available to us to explain situations that test the limits of what we can describe.

Cartoon land happens on some trips. It's way more complicated than that, but is really hard to describe. I wonder which language is best to describe these sorts of experiences.
I think English has typically been used to describe most psychedelic experiences, but I imagine Dutch and other languages have been used often too.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #8007588 - 02/11/08 03:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol just cus its cartoon doesnt mean its 2D.


and yes they are common, i have had many people describe such things to me. even from weed. just cus uve tripped 100s of times and are still so closed minded makes me wonder if you are even telling the truth at all.

btw not all things are rational, logic will not explain to you why somebody might see everything in the way that they do.

just as logic cannot describe my loathing for people who reference how many times thay have tripped, thats like some 60 year old telling some 13 year old boy that his oppinion on girls is wrong just cus he hasnt fucked hundreds of them .... yet.

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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: pong]
    #8007748 - 02/11/08 06:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think he just really hates this guy and doesn't want to believe him. So he's grasping on to his stance pretty hard.

Why do you hate him so much and why is he your friend?


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: handicappedrat]
    #8007835 - 02/11/08 07:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes when I am smoking weed I feel like in 3d game:) Not video and colors .... I am talking about reality:)


Edited by Mad3x (02/11/08 07:37 AM)


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8007838 - 02/11/08 07:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you are probably what is called a hard head
this is unfortunate
it means you need more drugs and never get as much effect as a soft head.
it also means you cannot conceive of things that you have been "denied" by your hard headedness.
I wish things were different for you.
All I can do is suggest you relax more, there might be too much fight in you to permit more subtle experiences.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #8008429 - 02/11/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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PyroBurns said:
I think he just really hates this guy and doesn't want to believe him. So he's grasping on to his stance pretty hard.

Why do you hate him so much and why is he your friend?




I don't hate him, but I do KNOW that he is very full of shit almost all of the time.

I also think that if all you can describe from your intense experience with mushrooms is "I was in cartoony-land and I talked to a smurf" that either your vocabulary is pretty limited, or you're simply full of shit. I know anything is possible with CEV's but he swears with was a full OEV emersion type phenomena, which is very unlikely. I say either impossible or just complete bullshit.

I've been fully immersed in trance-like states where I've traveled through other worlds or "dimensions" where time and space become meaningless and the visuals are indescribeable and extremely complex, and each psychedelic takes me to its own distinct place, over, and over again. therefore the cartoon land description strikes me as bullshit.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: monkeyheaven]
    #8008458 - 02/11/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Both sides of the argument are easily reconciled. We use the language available to us to explain situations that test the limits of what we can describe.

Cartoon land happens on some trips. It's way more complicated than that, but is really hard to describe. I wonder which language is best to describe these sorts of experiences.
I think English has typically been used to describe most psychedelic experiences, but I imagine Dutch and other languages have been used often too.




Exactly, when you say "it's way more complicated than that" I agree with you, but I do not agree that it is hard to describe. Most people can describe to me an intense LSD or mushroom trip to the point where I can relate with them so well that I can almost finish their sentences, then I don't even question wether or not they are telling the truth.

A person who can only tell me that they were in cartoony land, without even attempting to describe anything else is probably lying. Where's the mental aspect, confusion or epiphanies? The body load or buzz? Extension of time? Spacial inconsistencies? Synochronous patterned visuals? If you've had an intense mushroom trip, and I suspect most of you have, you could at least agree with me that these things are common. Well, he could not. All he kept repeating was that he was just in some "cartoon-land". BULLSHIT.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8008520 - 02/11/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
you are probably what is called a hard head
this is unfortunate
it means you need more drugs and never get as much effect as a soft head.
it also means you cannot conceive of things that you have been "denied" by your hard headedness.
I wish things were different for you.
All I can do is suggest you relax more, there might be too much fight in you to permit more subtle experiences.





You make no sense. First you call me a "hard head" and imply that I need more drugs to reach the same state as a "soft head", then you go on to say there may be too much fight in me to permit a more subtle experience? I hope you realize how ridiculous and contradictory that sounds.

If you're suggesting I haven't had an "intense" experience, then you're wrong, and if you're implying that a cartoony-land is an intense experience, then you're doubly wrong and perhaps limited in your perception of what a trip can be.

If you're suggesting somehow that my trips are TOO intense and a cartoony-land is just a more subtle experience that I am too "hardheaded" to allow, then again, you'er just wrong. I get visuals from even low doses on most strains or species of mushrooms which from what I hear from others' experiences is rare.

I can do alot more with psychedelics than "beginners" or first timers because I usually meditate into trance-like states, something that took me more than afew trips to learn is essential if you want to get the most out of your trip, but even if I don't and I'm in a social situation, I tend to get intense and WIDELY varied visuals, always blowing my mind in intricacy, grandeur, and beauty.

If at this point you still can't understand why I would call bullshit on my friend, or you, or anyone who just tells me that they were in "cartoon-land", then you'er as daft as I thought.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8008834 - 02/11/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

all i have to say is i have been to multipule cartoon like lands so its questionable of which one he was in.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8008895 - 02/11/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

having read some of your other posts elsewhere
I think you are not a hard head, though your comments are "hard headed" instead I am sure you have been to cartoon land and for some reason are in denial about it.
the kinds of things you have see are on the way there and on the way back. and some are beyond.
maybe you blinked.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8008919 - 02/11/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description.  Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.

I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend :mushroom2::rastamon:


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8009161 - 02/11/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Seraph in Blue said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
cartoon land type trips are common
i have been there and written about it from salvia several times,
certainly possible with weed and with acid/shrooms.

checking the legitimacy of the guy's trip seems a bit small-town-ish, like the village mentality that leads to witch detection.
maybe you are already there but don't know it!





DUDE, when I first started out, almost every single one of my trips turned reality into what looked like cartoonish. Everything seemed 3-D and it happened every single trip.

I'd love to know what causes it. I'm assuming it's just some really potent psilocybin that can make you see the world like that.

I miss it.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: anyone420]
    #8009174 - 02/11/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description.  Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.

I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend :mushroom2::rastamon:




You make a good point, and I do indeed agree with the fact that you can probably best describe some scenescapes or visual immersions while on mushrooms as "cartoony". I tend to see alot of cartoon-like ducks with LSD and some RC's, but very different from his description of cartoon visuals.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that his story also recounts eating $200 worth of mushrooms, which around here is over half an ounce. And while that is entirely possible, it's unlikely since this guy can't even afford bud light (he drinks natty ice) and I can't see him stomaching that much fungal material.

Oh, and get this, he describes the mushrooms he ate as "the good ones, the ones with the purple ring around them" and that they had blue caps with white dots all over. Still not sounding like BS?

In any case, I find myself abandoning RC's and entactogens and gravitating much more towards mushrooms since I find the trips to be much cleaner feeling and more gratifying. Maybe one day when I try P. Azurescens, I may find myself fully encapsulated in a cartoon world talking to smurfs. Until then, I remain skeptical.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: future]
    #8009175 - 02/11/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As a matter of fact, those are to me by far the most enjoyable trips. Little to no thought looping and just an amazing beautiful undescribeable world to look at.

along with a little extra somethin sumthin :wink:


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: anyone420]
    #8009181 - 02/11/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think a lot of the what people are describing when they talk about cartoonland and such is actually mostly precieved and not truly visual. You may even remember it as visual but in reality being completely transported into another world like that is extremely disorienting. You may sit around your house and things are kind of swaying and dancing and maybe even stretching and distorting and colors are more vibrant so it reminds you of doctor sues or a cartoon.

I don't want to discount the possibility completely I am just saying. I have a friend who always talks about cartoon vision when he's high but he isn't really seeing cartoons he's just imagining it that way, it isn't a truly visual experience.

It may just be hard for me to imagine that since I tend to control my trips, in the sense that when I don't want to get strong visuals I don't have to, but when I want them all I have to do is look. I can see where if you got completely caught up in a trip and let it go kind of wild then this may become truly visual.

Don't get me wrong I get visuals but I tend to agree with the OP, except that when you really let go on a strong trip I have gone some pretty crazy places, so I can't say someone couldn't end up in a cartoonish type universe.


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8009182 - 02/11/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Seraph in Blue said:
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anyone420 said:
I've been to a place that i could best describe as a cartoon land, while on mushrooms - however it may, and probably does differ quit a bit from your friends description.  Mushrooms reveal such a vast universe, its hard to find words for it.

I don't see the point in arguing anyway, to each his own my friend :mushroom2::rastamon:




You make a good point, and I do indeed agree with the fact that you can probably best describe some scenescapes or visual immersions while on mushrooms as "cartoony". I tend to see alot of cartoon-like ducks with LSD and some RC's, but very different from his description of cartoon visuals.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that his story also recounts eating $200 worth of mushrooms, which around here is over half an ounce. And while that is entirely possible, it's unlikely since this guy can't even afford bud light (he drinks natty ice) and I can't see him stomaching that much fungal material.

Oh, and get this, he describes the mushrooms he ate as "the good ones, the ones with the purple ring around them" and that they had blue caps with white dots all over. Still not sounding like BS?

In any case, I find myself abandoning RC's and entactogens and gravitating much more towards mushrooms since I find the trips to be much cleaner feeling and more gratifying. Maybe one day when I try P. Azurescens, I may find myself fully encapsulated in a cartoon world talking to smurfs. Until then, I remain skeptical.




I'll sum it up for you. Your friend likes to over do it yes. However, "cartoon land" as some people are calling it, does very well exist.

It's where everything you see looks 3-D and no longer looks real but instead "cartoony colorful".


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Re: Cartoon land? Or BS? [Re: handicappedrat]
    #8009199 - 02/11/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would say this doesnt happen to me exept on weed i guess, Actaully when i trip everything gains depth for me, but I have heard from people whom i trust that this happens to them.

I see things that most people dont, I tend to get faces on everything and not just one face repeated but different faces doing different things.

Just like OMR said every body is different every brain is a unique universe, I forgot who it was that had a signature that said "You cannot deny the experience of others".


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