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OfflineRonaldFuckingPaul
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    #8006050 - 02/10/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So I have a bunch of MHRB that I was planning on extracting into freebase DMT but I don't feel like doing it right now. Instead I'm probably gonna do ayahuasca.

I have the following MAOI's:

-Syrian Rue(Hella)
-Caapi Leaves(28 grams)
-Harmaline 5x tincture(1 vial)

What in your opinion would be the best combo that I can get a death/rebirth life-changing experience from and how should I go about doing it? about how long is the "mindfuck"? should I have a sitter? Is a shaman really necessary?


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8006083 - 02/10/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey there addict, I just actually finished making up a brew of the tea with MHRB and I used syrian rue as my MAOI. I did this after a lot of caution though since the outcome is quite intense. Rue has a slight psychodelic effect on its own so the result you get from this combo can be pretty intense at some times. Also using MHRB to brew aya can produce a pretty potent tea. For myself I just groud up about 3.5grams of the rue in a coffee grinder, let it soak in about 2 ounces of water with a bit of lemon juice for flavor for about an hour then just downed it about 20-25 minutes prior to the tea. I'll warn you the taste is quite bad, there are other techniques you could use with the rue but its more work, i just do it that way due to the simplicity.

There are quite a bit different ways, such as making a rue tea, you can let it steep and drink it that way, you could make a tea like you would make coffee. These are pretty good ways because it eliminates you actually having to ingest the seeds. I've recently read the outer casings of the seeds themselves can be somewhat toxic so it adds to the nausea. But you've already got to accept you'll most likely purge going into the experience.

Using the rue I found to just be more convinient and quite effective, if you have any other questions don't be afraid to ask!

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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8006104 - 02/10/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Take 1.5 grams rue an hour before you dose and 1.5 at the same time as the dose.

Take 20 grams of MHRB grind it into powder and make a mixture of 1 part lemon jiuce to two parts water, boil for about 1/2 hour to 45 min i think? cant really remember the length of time to boil.

This is a good starting dose it is what i did my first time.

Mind fuck wise aya is not nearly as bad a shrooms but you will probably trip harder than most shroom trips its got a cleaner feel.(not physically mentally)  Have a wonderfull experience it will probably last about 2 hours.:thumbup:


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8008524 - 02/11/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would use the 5x Harmaline tincture I would take one full dropper and then at about 30 minutes I would take a second dropper and your mimosa brew.

I would keep it simple with the mimosa brew. Grind up 20 grams put it in a metal cook pot with about 1/2 a gallon of water and 2 table spoons of real concentrate lemon juice. Slowly get it to a rolling boil and then drop it down to a simmer. Reduce or evaporate the brew down in half. Filter out your brew. I use a few layers of cheese cloth and make sure I squeeze every drop of liquid out of the left over mush. Discard the mush. From there you can boil/reduce the liquid down further or just drink it like that. I like to have no more than about 6 ounces of brew to swallow.

Your Harmaline extract is the way to go. That stuff works great every time, its consistent its reliable.

Follow these simple steps and you will get the desired results. Eat a little plain white rice about an hour before and you should have little to no nausea.

If your going to ingest it in the evening, I would recommend fasting the day of, and make sure your not taking any SSRIs or or other meds that can cause problems for you in your endeavor.


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #8008880 - 02/11/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

in all honesty i dont really suggest more then 2g rue but what the hey its just sparing nausea i find 1.5-2g to always be more then enough and 3g to just be more eating for no reason. i suggest fresh fruit over lemon juice tho lemon juice will do fine as well as country time lemonade. i would say its a way hard trip but not really a mind fuck its ussually clear about what he whole thing is about and straight foward it changes tho when you realize what the message is and start acting on it. I find the stuff and other psychedelics to be like CDs or information vessels and readers. If you give the right blessings a good spirit will help guide you, perhaps even mine lol


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: thedudenj]
    #8009250 - 02/11/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The people on the aya site say to take like 6-9 grams of grinded mimosa for a grand experience. I don't think 20 is a good dosage.


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: PyroBurns]
    #8009440 - 02/11/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Id advice you try other drugs and leave this combo alone. Intense doesnt quite describe what it does.


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: poof]
    #8009665 - 02/11/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The people on the aya site say to take like 6-9 grams of grinded mimosa for a grand experience. I don't think 20 is a good dosage.




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Id advice you try other drugs and leave this combo alone. Intense doesnt quite describe what it does.




QFT.

20 seems like WAAAY too much for a first timer...

There is more to Aya then death\rebirth.

Death\rebirth on Aya is different then shrooms... way different.

Get a big batch of MHRB, eat say 8-10 grams, test the waters with this batch of bark.

Its a new substance, eagerness can lead to opposition, especially when you trip for 5 hours in the "hell realms" with no idea how to navigate the space because you've been catapulted 1000 times further then you ever wanted to go. Just take your time... Aya is weird in terms of tolerance, you could even try to up the dose as soon as a week later.

Life is long, Aya is eternal...

Patience and humility are greatly rewarded by plant spirits...


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And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do
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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: poof]
    #8009719 - 02/11/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Id advice you try other drugs and leave this combo alone. Intense doesnt quite describe what it does.




Can you elaborate? So is 6 grams a good starting dose?


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8009750 - 02/11/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
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poof said:
Id advice you try other drugs and leave this combo alone. Intense doesnt quite describe what it does.




Can you elaborate? So is 6 grams a good starting dose?



reefer addict i dont know you personally but ive seen your posts you seem to be an exp psychonaut just go for 20 grams.

Dont you want a good ass kicking or did you want to have fun. Life changing or eh. Its up to you.


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8009824 - 02/11/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The first time I drank aya was with this combo and it was with 12 grams and was a pretty intense experience, but i'm not as experienced with psychedelics as probably anyone else here. I know of aya drinkers who've been drinking the tea for a while and stay around 15 grams but it's totally up to you man, either way you're in for a wild ride!


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: lennon01108]
    #8009853 - 02/11/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The first time I drank aya was with this combo and it was with 12 grams and was a pretty intense experience, but i'm not as experienced with psychedelics as probably anyone else here. I know of aya drinkers who've been drinking the tea for a while and stay around 15 grams but it's totally up to you man, either way you're in for a wild ride!



This guy knows what he is talking about RA but understand that when i take aya I am looking for that ass kicking, that mind blowing out of this world experience. Maybe you just want to chill,  understand in 20 grams MHRB and 3+ grams rue will most definantly kick the shit out of you but to me thats the only reason i put up with the horrible vomiting, otherwise I would just stick to mushrooms or LSD ect.:shrug:


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8010078 - 02/11/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)




thats the only reason i put up with the horrible vomiting




Awesomebastard,

I feel the puking is part of the whole experience of aya, it's so refreshing and purifying. I've always went into it already knowing I'd most likely puke and every time it has been the most satisfying and relieving puke I've ever had. Don't get me wrong, I hate puking but the whole experience is different.


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8010126 - 02/11/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you definitely may want to test the quality of your root bark by starting at about 8-12 grams. Everyone is different, but 20 grams may be overkill, depending on your intentions. I would consider myself fairly experienced with psychedelic substances, and 6 grams of high quality root bark kicked my ass the first time I did aya. I consumed a tea of 3 grams rue and hour before, and drank half a cup of a 12 gram batch of MHRB, and had the most profound spiritual experience of my life. good luck to you!


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: satyr]
    #8010767 - 02/11/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yaeh really 6-12g mimosa eat 1-3g of rue add 3g of rue to brew. drink as needed save remains for rebrewing!
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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: PyroBurns]
    #8011048 - 02/11/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The people on the aya site say to take like 6-9 grams of grinded mimosa for a grand experience. I don't think 20 is a good dosage.




Hey guys, I wasn't attempting to steer him in the wrong direction. the request was for guidance so he could have a death/rebirth life-changing experience
15 grams of mimosa is what I use for a single dose of brew. Following the directions I gave that works perfect for me every time. It wasn't my intention to give him bad advice. Just what he was asking for.


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #8011294 - 02/11/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so what you can have death and rebirth from 6 grams of mimosa and the suggested rue. also you can have death and rebirth from one amanita lol. and as its been said so many times dont trust the aya forums they are dick heads


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Re: Ayahuasca n00b [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8029021 - 02/15/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I cant really tell you anything because theres nothing to say. The only advice i have for you is that no matter how real it seems, its all in your head. And you'll have to tell yourself that and believe it as you hang on for dear life.


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