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ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious
    #8005634 - 02/10/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What we believe we know and how we perceive ourselves in place and time is built upon a complex accumulation of ritual activity. Each generation reproduces this ritual activity and contributes to it’s accumulation, further entrenching our attachment to our cultural biases. “It’s always been this way,” “It always will be this way,” or “it‘s human nature” are common programmatic responses to the question “why this particular body of ritual?” But these answers are the ego response of the ritual defending itself.

Buried beneath conscious process is some pre-accumulative urge, an essence, that is the source of all activity and yet untransformable, irreducible, essential. This essence is what is found beneath and beyond layers of acculturated programming, call it the ‘ego.’ It is this pre-conscious essence that is the state of being sought by mystic paths as well as the wellspring of revolt. It is life asserting itself, rattling the bars of it’s own confinement. Where organization prevails, living has already been made impossible.

It has no definable qualities-- it evades definition and description. It is no ‘it’ at all. It cannot be contained, dammed, directed. It will not be harnessed to any particular program and in fact undermines all pretense of structuring.

“Primordial uncarved block, sole worshipful monster, inert & spontaneous…the original undifferentiated oneness-of-being…” Hakim Bey


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8005797 - 02/10/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

But these answers are the ego response of the ritual defending itself.

That does not make those answers not a reality.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #8005801 - 02/10/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We pay attention to the reality we want to.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #8005851 - 02/10/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That does not make those answers not a reality.




I never said that it did. Of course they are a reality. We make them reality by repeating them over and over and over again.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8005858 - 02/10/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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We pay attention to the reality we want to.




I prefer to say 'we pay attention to the reality we are accustomed to.' Want is a different thing entirely.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8005867 - 02/10/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We make them reality by repeating them over and over and over again.


We can't help it.

Isn't this another "Tao" post? Or do you have a point to make?


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #8005896 - 02/10/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree. But we are also capable of realizing we do this and choosing to tear through the veil. There is something in us that defies absorption into the structures of our percieved and replicated 'realities.' Like I said, this is what mystic paths are after, and this is the source and wellspring of revolt. We repeat what we are accustomed to repeat, but there is a nagging, irreducible, unconscious something that drives us outside of our own categories and definitions. It's what we find down the 'rabbit hole,' it is the abyss staring back at us.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8005897 - 02/10/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
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Tchan909 said:
We pay attention to the reality we want to.




I prefer to say 'we pay attention to the reality we are accustomed to.' Want is a different thing entirely.




Both are involved. Becoming accustomed is partly the process of keeping what knowledge one wants, discarding what one doesn't want; over time it leads to enhanced efficiency, but it is still based on subjective desires.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8005944 - 02/10/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

But subjective desires are often socially constructed. Authentic desires are more fundamental than many of the so called 'desires' we are socialized to be driven by.

Socially constructed desires, such as the desire to own a BMW, are not authetic in that they are overlaid on top of desires more fundamental, that may in fact be better satisfied through entirely different means. The BMW becomes a symbol for the pursuit of social approval and prestige. We don't want a BMW, we want to be respected. We are accustomed to representing status with particular symbols.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8005953 - 02/10/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree. But we are also capable of realizing we do this and choosing to tear through the veil. There is something in us that defies absorption into the structures of our percieved and replicated 'realities.' Like I said, this is what mystic paths are after, and this is the source and wellspring of revolt. We repeat what we are accustomed to repeat, but there is a nagging, irreducible, unconscious something that drives us outside of our own categories and definitions. It's what we find down the 'rabbit hole,' it is the abyss staring back at us.




Well maybe. For the average and above average person though I think trying for more than a glimpse of that something will cause long term unhappiness. I really don't think most humans have the capacity for much more than they already have, experience wise.

But maybe it's just me.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: Icelander]
    #8006363 - 02/10/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i thought bmw drivers were all assholes
something about that car, makes it cut into lanes direspectfully, and park manaiacally.
i prefer to see one on the road up ahead, way up ahead, than to be inside one or close to one.


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Re: ritual accumulation and the pre-conscious [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8008939 - 02/11/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

bmw and mercedes don't give a bit off each other :wink:
It's no parcel anymore. I also consider it more as some stinky-bomb once one reveals the 'inside' [driver], exceptions considered.


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