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I have been practicing Qi Gong for a couple of weeks. I am starting at the beginning with devoting most of my time to the start position right now. I decided that my belief systems were compatible with seeing my body (and everything else) as an energy field years ago. In practice I have benefited immensely by using this model of how the universe is structured, so convincing me of the practicality of this idea is not necessary. First hand experience trumps all. Qi Gong uses this idea as it's foundation. I am seeking to make more energy available to myself by freeing obstructed energy (mentally, physically, spiritually) that I already posses. If this works it seems to be a good investment (of my energy) for the return (of energy)I will give it 6 months to evaluate it.
What do you guys think of this practice and it's underlying conepts? Has anyone else tried it for a reasonable time? Relate your experience please.
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Cheeeeeeee Goooonnnnnnggggg!
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8005200 - 02/10/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is the pronunciation alright...actually I think it is more accurate to say Chi Kung, BUT have you tried it? Maybe you have an opinion.
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I think it's called Chop suey.
I have only dabbled in it. I'm guessing it's a good idea. Maybe not up to all the hype but still good.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
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At this point in my life I can even tell small fluctuations in my available energy quite finely, so any improvements will be appreciated. I do not expect the hype to be true. I have realistic expectations. I feel that it will make invisibility and total invulnerability to death available to me in just a few weeks.
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You will always be at my mercy dude. I'm very good at seeing things that aren't there.
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When you can fry a raw fish held in your hands by channeling Qi energy, then you have Mastered Qi Gong (and then may sell your BBQ).
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First hand experience trumps all.
Sorry, not buying today. A man who believes he is Napolean, doesn't make him Napolean.
Third time today (and hundreth overall): There is no limit to self delusion.
People swear by acupuncture and yet it has been shown to be total bunk.
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Most Western medical practitioners and many practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine, as well as the Chinese government, view qigong as a set of breathing and movement exercises, with possible benefits to health through stress reduction and exercise.
-- Wikipedia
Modern science seems to see a benefit to it.
So, you've never tried it and you are ignorant of it's use or benefits? Next.
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False assumption; false assumption. It is as good a practice as yoga or Tai Chi, but there is no mystical component.
Energy has measurable quanities unless you are making up a whole new word that is spelled the same as 'energy'. Qi as a force is unmeasurable and undemonstrable and indistinguishable from imagination.
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Boys, boys. Lets not quibble. (on second thought why not? ) Anywho, I think any exercise one does that helps one pay attention to being relaxed in the body will have similar effects. Noone is much better or different is my guess from experiencing several of them over the years. I think it's fun to keep switching around but you have to do one long enough to get the benefit.
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Boys, boys. Lets not quibble.
I hear and obey great Quibble Master. 
I don't deny the beneficial effects of any form of exercise (except golf & shuffleboard).
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When I say energy I am referring to measurable electrical biological energy. I am not discussing a mystical force. Science tends to see the universe as an energy field or wave phenomenon. That is not my opinion, but pure physics.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
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Relaxation and mental focus make one more efficient in the use of their available biological energy do they not? If this energy exercise does this then it does what it claims. I consider weight lifting and running to be very good energy exercises as they fine tune ones ability to use their energy, and lessen it's expenditure in the course of daily activity. It helps one to "plug ones leaks".
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As human beings we construct electromechanical devices (microchips and circuit boards) to regulate the flow of energy through electronic devices but still most refuse to believe that Universal energy exists. We physically contain energy in batteries and power plants by means of converting one form of energy into another more immediately useful form, yet still refuse to admit that the same energy that powers our technologies is flowing within all of us every moment of every day. Some refuse to believe because their religion considers Universal energy to be heresy or the whispers of the devil since energy has no form worthy of a deity? The pragmatic types see energy as a fantasy substance used by hippies to think about when they get high. They view it only as a power source for their laptops, cell phones and wide screen TV’s.
Our brains and hearts operate on electrical energy input as do our nervous systems and every other function of our body. It’s what makes our arms move and our eyes blink and our brains function. We use the term ‘take some time off to recharge your batteries’ yet we don’t connect the dots and realize that it is a true statement of fact as beings of this universe. Energy is everywhere, in everything and necessary to what we call ‘life’. When someone is ‘run down’ from expending too much energy they need to sit calmly without expending energy and reclaim the energy they lost before they can go on.
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Huehuecoyotl said: Relaxation and mental focus make one more efficient in the use of their available biological energy do they not? If this energy exercise does this then it does what it claims. I consider weight lifting and running to be very good energy exercises as they fine tune ones ability to use their energy, and lessen it's expenditure in the course of daily activity. It helps one to "plug ones leaks".
Sure
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#8013967 - 02/12/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've decided to post an update on my practice and the effects it has. My practice is limited to two positions right now. One is the start position...standing with knees slightly bent, and hands at the sides. The other is "holding the balloon". It is similar to start, but the hands are extended in the front as if gripping a large balloon. I started doing 5 minutes in each position, standing perfectly still. The author of the book I am using recommends working up to maintaining the balloon position for 30 to 40 minutes a day. At this point I am holding the second position for 9 minutes. It actually becomes very painful and stressed. Keeping a relaxed state becomes very difficult beyond 5 minutes right now. I find it interesting that I am only standing stationary, but my thighs and shoulders are starting to ache fairly severely in the muscles during the day, and I suspect that it is from this practice. I run and weight train regularly and have long been over the soreness associated with those activities. My wife said that pain is returning to the sites of old injuries that she has suffered in the distant past. The author explains it as energy blockages that form from improper healing of the injury. He says that once circulation starts to return to the injury site that the injury will finish healing properly and the pain will cease. If this is so then this might be a useful practice for knee and back pain. In any case the practice is to use only these 2 positions for several months before moving forward. It is claimed that this will stimulate energy flow in the energy field (we are actually energy fields, and I believe that science recognizes this). This will enhance circulation and proper airflow it is claimed.
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Interesting. How deep a stance are you in?
I know this is different as it is more of a strength training exercise, but I have some racquetball students place their back flat up against the wall with the thighs parallel to the floor and hold. It is rare for someone to fold for 90 seconds - at least without practice.
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The author said to bend the knees just enough to feel the stress from it. The stance I am in is not really deep...nowhere near full squat. I am familiar with the wall squat, and I have timed myself doing it for 3 minutes recently. I am not squatting as deeply as that by any means, and I am an accomplished "wall squatter", so this makes the soreness all the more interesting. I think standing still has something to do with it. I am beginning to think that spending months learning how to stand still may be beneficial to my health and attention.
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I am beginning to think that spending months learning how to stand still may be beneficial to my health and attention.
Here is the end result:
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I am shooting more for this:
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Here is how I picture you years from now:
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Being an Ent might be cool. They don't move much, but don't get them pissed off...
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OrgoneConclusion said: Here is how I picture you years from now:
He looks only slightly different now. Hue is over 300 years old . That Qi Gong really works.
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ahh thanks for posting that pdf. i've been looking for something like this. gonna try doing those first 2 positions every morning and see how it goes.
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I have found the opening exercises to be deceptively difficult, and I feel this alone will take up at least 3 months of my time before even moving to part 2 of the book. Here is the second book. This one is advanced practice supposedly useful to those who want to move on to martial arts.
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well i've done it today and yesterday so far. 5-6 minutes on each exercise. the first exercise seems pretty easy. after the second one my arms feel really sore. a little numbness in my hands too like he says will happen. it certainly does feel like a good work out.
i meditate every night and have been trying to get into the habit of doing it in the mornings too, but it's tough. i feel like these qi gong exercises fit much better into my morning routine. hopefully i'll be able to keep it up, i like it so far.
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I do start for 6 minutes, and I am up to 10 minutes for the balloon holding exercise. After 5 minutes the second exercise becomes extremely challenging. I like that it integrates mind and body where most meditation practices disregard the body.
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Thanks for posting this Hue! I have been looking for something like this to incorporate into my daily practice. I will be trying this for some weeks I think. Good stuff!!! =]
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I do start for 6 minutes, and I am up to 10 minutes for the balloon holding exercise.
OK, now use a bowling ball.
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The real secret to Qi Gong is in the slippers.
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The slippers?? I just recorded them.
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OK, now use a bowling ball.
Probably not a bad idea. One would be the Qi Gong Warrior from Hell in a very short while.
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I'm training in Bi-Mart and Cos-co.
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Bi-Mart? What the hell do they do at Bi-Mart? Training for what?
Anyway...I got an update. My wife and I am up to 21 minutes a day of practice. I am finding it quite challenging. My goal is to make 45 minutes a day, and I think that I'll keep my time at that point and devote 45 minutes a day to it everyday. I am finding myself to be developing more muscular aches in the arms. The pain in my legs has subsided. I am getting weird tingling sensations in my arms and hands as well due to circulation changes. When I finish I am invigorated and feel fresh. Anyone else doing this practice please update as well in order to compare notes.
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Bi Mart is beyond your knowledge weedhopper. One needs a credit card and much courage.
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I have only a credit card, so I guess I am out.
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You also need to be a member.
I like what you are doing (back on topic) I may give it a go myself.
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-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Soon you will belong in the PNW.
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No. I do not endorse this. I am presenting it for discussion. It is apparent that internal energy exercises work somehow, because they do work in a non specific way. The Chinese explanation may totally miss the mark, but they tried explaining it. Why should we turn our nose up at examining traditional medicine. With an open mind there may be something to learn.
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No darling, you got me all wrong. I meant it as a good thing.
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The PNW is sooo nineties. Can't believe you have not yet evolved past that safe cocoon.
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I agree. I want my ideas criticized and evaluated. No one says I have to believe other people's opinions or take them seriously, but peer review is a good influence sometimes.
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I recently made my way down the canal. I plan on eating the placenta. The space needle is a mushroom. There's a lightning bolt for christ's sake. Pubes on my shoulders.
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...and how has Qi Gong worked out for you?
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The Pal Dan Gum is a good set of stretches. Your post is the first time I've seen the other exercises. The holding the belly in the third position is, I think, good toner for the muscles of the lower abdomen and back. Haven't tried any of the other .
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: falcon]
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I have tried only the first 2 positions. I am going to stick with those for a while before moving on.
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How are you learning? In my experience Dr. Yang Jwing Ming has the best instructional tapes and books on the subject.
I have been slacking a lot lately on my training, but when I was heavy into martial arts, I incorporated 10-15 minutes of Qi Gong at the beginning of every session as well as at the beginning and end of the day. It did wonders for my focus and channeling of energy as well as general grounded-ness and balance. I consider it a crucial component of any well-rounded and complete training. I would often break into a full body sweat after just 5 or so minutes of doing some of the grounding exercises.. intense to say the least.
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The book I posted on the parent post is where I am starting. I am on part one. I have seen a great many instructional books and videos, but that one seemed the most squared away for the beginner to me.
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Good stuff. I skipped over the file on your initial post but I just checked it out and skimmed through it.. looks pretty solid.. covers the fundamentals well. Not sure if you've gotten to the "full circle" exercise yet but I would think you would be noticing some changes by then.
If clearing energy blockages and getting a more consistent "flow" is your goal.. I can not really think of any other means better than Qi Gong for attaining that.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Shroomism]
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I find it like a standing meditation Relaxing and revitalizing Only done the first 2 poses as i plan to do this for awhile first attempt was weird, first 5 mins seemed like 30 secs, so i do 10 min in first pose 5 in second as of now. awesome addition to yoga and meditation
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i've been doing it for a week now. it says in the book to do it for 3 weeks before adding 5 minutes to each pose, but i'm just going to add a minute or 2 each week instead i think. when the 6 minute mark comes, i always want to see how much longer i can hold the position for.
my knees ached after doing it a couple of days last week, now it just seems that my arms ache, but less and less each day i feel like. i like how it makes you breathe deeper, but without gasping for breath like a tough set of exercises. i definitely feel really refreshed after i do it. i like this a lot.
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i definitely feel really refreshed after i do it
I like a nice toner after a mild soap to achieve this same effect.
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I heard heroin'd do it.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
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Hey guys,
I was just passing through and your post about qi gong drew me in. Relative to your nascent practices I'm a long-time qi gong practitioner (that means a few years).
There are a lot of different types of qigong out there, and I'm glad to see you guys have caught onto the standing. It's probably one of the best methods out there, being especially relevant to members of modern society in that it is well-suited to balance our unique pathologies (I'll forgo listing these).
When you stand, you're still for basically the only time in your life. When you sleep you're moving around, rolling here and there, and when you sit on the bus or drive or sit at your desk, whatever it is, you're not still. Practicing being still in a natural (as opposed to the contorted postures of some systems) posture can have incredible effects.
Basically, as I see it, when you take up one of these standing postures, the first step is to tire out the big muscles until they give way to the little muscles. If you've started standing, you've probably noticed how painful and difficult it can be to stand still. Your neck and shoulders probably ache. The tension will be released, though, so stick with it. They say the harder it is to stand, the more you need it.
So anyway, your breath will deepen, which will increase your oxygen exchange, and as your muscles slowly let go, blood circulation will increase. This is increasing qi flow. This is also a step towards achieving uniform tension throughout the whole body, which is one of the requirements for "internal" martial artists who want to develop that whole-body power the Chinese martial arts like taiji quan and xinyi quan are so famous for. But that's another story.
My advice is to look into finding a qualified teacher. There are plenty of bad teachers everywhere, unfortunately, so I'll wish you luck. It's very important with even simple body practices like standing, to have someone of a level there in person to mimic.
But if you don't have a teacher, sticking with good books should be fine. Check out Lam Kam Chuen's book The Way of Energy. It's the best book about standing on the market, no contest.
Somebody mentioned Dr. Yang Jwing Ming's books. I'll be bringing six or seven of them to the used bookstore tomorrow, by coincidence. The Way of Energy is actually the only book on qigong that will survive the current purge of my material possessions.
Just remember when your practice to be completely still. You take your posture, and then you freeze, and you hold that. It's a very common mistake (one I made until I finally met a high level teacher). People tend to move around and adjust. They move this shoulder a bit, beacuse they feel that was the wrong spot, then the turn their head a bit because it was a little tense, or whatever. In class, every now and then, my teacher will give a "don't move" command because somebody will be squirming around. You take the posture and hold, and then you change to another posture. This is one thing that's very good about practicing a system with a number of postures that you go through: After five or ten or two minutes or whatever you can hold well, you have a chance to change and correct whatever was wrong with your posture.
Of course, in the beginning, you might catch yourself pushed out of the ground completely with locked knees and you have to go "oh yea, right" and sink back to bend your knees a little. Or mmaybe without realizing it you've pulled your shoulders up to your ears. Let them drop, that's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is complete stillness. Very important. Very very important.
Another thing: In the long term, it doesn't matter, but as beginners, practice with your eyes open. It will keep your posture better. I stand every day and I have for some time, but I always practice with my eyes open.
Anyway, I just spewing information out now, so I'll stop while I can. The important thing is to practice and keep at it.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
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yeah i could imagine that, sort of like freezing the moment like a photograph, the essence of the words "be here now".
very interesting, thanks.
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Check out Lam Kam Chuen's book The Way of Energy
That is the book we are mostly discussing. I put a download of it on the parent post.
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My latest update. My practice is now at 30 minutes. I have had a fairly old injury (cut) painfully open back up and quickly re-heal. I had a lot of aching in my mouth where I have had dental problems in the past. This subsided after a few days. My wife had a re-occurance of depression that has not bothered her for several years. It lasted 4 days and then subsided quickly. It was odd because the issues involved were issues that have been for the most part resolved for a few years. She has also become nauseous during practice and started to sweat. I don't know if these things are related to the practice, but they were interestingly timed. I have experienced many of the minor effects mentioned in the book as well, like numbness, feelings of being out of symmetry, various aches and pains during practice, and tingling sensations. So far so good. I seem to be seeing the sort of effects the book mentioned which makes it more fun to pursue.
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Interesting. Let me know when it starts regrowing hair and I am definitely down with it.
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I don't need anymore hair. I got enough already. I have a couple of teeth I am expecting to regrow...and there is still the issue of total invulnerability from death.
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I wasn't referencing back hair...
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I think you should start a thread and make it a sticky for people to use as a kind of standing qigong public journal, or a blog as I think they're called. That is if there are a few other people doing this (my impression is that there were).
Feeling sick happens. I've had to sit out in the middle of a qigong class before. You should of course keep up the practice if something like this happens, but if it becomes too much just stop and pick it back up the next day.
Psychological things definitely come out with this practice. I've met a number of people who've uncovered repressed memories of childhood through standing. It can be pretty wild. Some people say that these kind of experiences embed themselves into your body. With a practice like standing, where tension is released and energy begins to flow closer to its natural course, these things get "smoked out" so to speak.
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I really intended this thread to be such a thread as long as people want to update it.
Having odd sensations, emotional upsets, or feeling sick is not something that I find disheartening for this type of practice. In fact I find such experiences to be encouraging. In my psychedelic adventures I have had experiences that were so patently weird and uncomfortable that being put off by such events is not an issue. Several times while under the influence of a psychedelic I have had my life's foundations called into question and determined to be invalid, and then had to deal with the anxiety that this produces, so I don't think Qi Gong will run me out. I am dedicating myself to at least 6 months of conscientious practice before making a definitive judgment call of any kind on it. I will then assess my situation and progress and determine where I should go from there.
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This is not a direct comment on qi gong per se, but I found some fasting stories to be similar and amusing in that if you feel sick, the fasting is working. If you feel great the fasting is working. If you feel tired, the fasting is working. If you feel energized, the fasting is working.
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I did those exact exercises a couple of times a day for a few months. Eventually it got to a point where every breath i took in everyday life felt and tasted really fresh and clear. Im not sure exactly how they work, but they do seem to be powerfull, it was probably one of the healthiest ive ever felt. But as with most things i stopped doing them, and now i dont really have enough time to myself to start again.
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what's your point?
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Orgone: The standing method we're discussing here is a very natural practice. I wouldn't say that about not eating or drinking for prolonged periods. Also, nausea isn't an indicator that it's working. Neither are tingling sensations, vibrations, feelings of heat, numbness etc.
These are all just feelings you might have as you practice. Don't cling to them, just notice them, feel them, and then let them go. A few years ago I had, on a couple occasions, an incredible feeling of lightness; like I was just going to float away or something. That feeling has never returned with so much power. It would be kinda fun if I could do that all the time, but oh well.
Something I've noticed with some people is that when they get a sensation in qigong, like warm hands or something, they make a big deal out of it and tell their friends or whatever as if a beam of golden light is going to start shooting out of their heads any day now. Those types never stick with it.
A few weeks ago we started a class with twenty minutes of standing. In the middle of it I started catching really strong whiffs of nag champa incense. After we stopped standing I asked the person next to me if she could smell it too and she said no. I should mention that in comparisons I've done with other people I have a really poor sense of smell. The class continued; all kinds of smells started hitting me: toothpaste, body odour, more incense. At the end of class I walked past a group of people getting their stuff together and as I passed I distinctly smelled each one in turn.
So yeah, extreme olfactory sensitivity, add that one to your list of possible qigong experiences.
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I am noting what I am experiencing because the book had a table with a list of effects and when during practice that they occur. This allows me to evaluate the material the author has presented by comparing notes.
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Another Qi Gong update. A couple of days ago I pulled a calf muscle while exercising. I was jumping rope of all things. I heard that it was great exercise so I went out and bought a jump rope and I was all set to go. I jumped rope for all of 30 seconds when it felt like I had a charlie horse in my left calf. I tried to "walk it off" and realized that this was not going away, and that I was in fact injured. It was bad enough that I had great difficulty walking. That night I did my nightly Qi Gong. After about a 25 minute stationary Qi Gong session I noted that the pain had mostly gone away in the calf, and that I could almost walk normally. By the next morning the pain had resumed it previous intensity. That night (last night) I did Qi Gong again and got the same effect...except the pain did not return to it's previous intensity this morning. Both times the Qi Gong caused the pain and tightness in the muscle to abate. I have heard that Qi Gong increases blood flow in the body which would be a good explanation for the mechanism which I experienced, but that is just a guess. Any other suggestions? In any case I find this to be a helpful thing, and I will continue with my practice.
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It is obvious that Qi Gong weakened your calf muscle as I have never had an injured calf nor practiced Qi Gong.
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I found out that jumping rope often causes that sort of injury. There is a pre-existing correlation. I am not claiming miraculous ground breaking healing powers, but I think there is something to Qi Gong. Scientific studies seem to indicate the same. I might never achieve trans-dimensional reality shifts, but there does appear to be some benefit.
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It at least keeps you stationary for some part of the day.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
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It does. I don't stay in one place very long. Qi Gong and the shroomery are about all that keeps me still.
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Don't most rural Kentuckians have a still?
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Yes, but not at the house. We usually store them down in the holler somewhere. This keeps the revenuers from catching on.
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Laughing at our sophisticated culture is just intolerance.
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You really dig that rugged look, eh?
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Davy Crockett was from Tennessee....not Kentucky. Daniel Boone was infinitely more cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boone
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You all look the same to me. That includes all the states in Jesus Land.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
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i'm still doing each of the 2 exercises for 7 minutes at a time. for a little while i felt like 7 minutes wasn't really long enough of a time, but i decided to pace myself like the book recommends and not move to 10 minutes until i've been doing it for 3 weeks (been doing it for 2 weeks now). well, over the last few days the 7 minutes seems to have gotten harder. while i was doing it today i started getting really hot and broke out into a huge sweat, like the guy in the book says will happen. that was the first time that happened.
edit: also, i feel like my knees havent been in the best condition throughout most of my life. at points in my life they'd really hurt after exercising or running. lately they've been hurting again during and a couple minutes after my daily qi gong exercises. hopefully it's strengthening and healing them. i guess time will tell.
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I think you are right on to stay within the guidelines for progress. I think the best results are obtained this way.
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Yeah definitely don't push things. I am ending my 5th week doing Qi Gong, and I am doing position 1 for about 8 to 10 minutes and position 2 for about 10 to 15 minutes. Including warm up I am hitting 30 minutes most days, but if I don't feel like it I just cut it short. I don't want to force it. I'll go another another month and move on to part 2 of the book. So far I like what I have experienced.
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If you have knee problems, they probably come from some kind of uneven tension creating an unharmonious twist in your structure. If you stand in too deep a stance (knees bent too far) then it could aggravate it. Keep an eye on the discomfort, and if it persists then try to practice with your knees just barely bent. Definitely make sure that your knees don't bend so far forward that they are beyond the ends of your toes.
If you're cautious, then these exercises should release the tension and realign your structure, so keep it at, but make sure you don't hurt yourself. It's such a gentle exercise that you should be ok.
Hue: with any injury stagnation occurs. All qigong is about relaxing to allow more qi to move through blockages (where stagnation is occurring). There are some great topical herbal formulas for tears, breaks, bruises, or whatever. I don't know if you have Chinese pharmacies in "Bible Land" or wherever it is you're from, but it could be worth checking what kind of Jao, or Dit Da Joa, you have in your neighbourhood. There are also these kind of patches, kinda like nicotine patches, only they move qi into the area you place them on.
Of course, the best is to have homemade product so you know it's the real shit, made from real herbs. A Tooth From the Tiger's Mouth is a book that could help you in this regard. And no, there are no tiger parts in these formulas. In fact, with the distribution system of Chinese herbs in place today, there is no reason to use any animal-based "herbs" in any Chinese formulas.
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I'm in Kentucky which Ice refers to as Bible land, but I have noticed that most people don't actually follow what is in the Bible...they just claim to, so his terminology is incorrect. We have health food stores, but as for Chinese pharmacies we have none. However it seems that my injury will most likely be fully healed by Saturday which will allow me to resume my daily runs. I have been looking for some good books on Chinese medicine, but I have found none. I will eventually resort to Amazon for this just to enlighten myself.
I am aware that Qi Gong promotes relaxation, but it is curious that standing still in Qi Gong practice would relax the inured area, while just standing still or sitting by itself would cause the injury to stiffen up.
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I am ending my 5th week doing Qi Gong, and I am doing position 1 for about 8 to 10 minutes and position 2 for about 10 to 15 minutes.
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Jesus land, not bible land.
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I found this book by Daniel Reid (a westerner) on Qi Gong to be pretty interesting and useful. I have only been reading the thread and haven't checked out the book you linked in the parent post yet, but the standing pose in this one sounds like the same one you have been doing for the past few weeks.
I dabble sporadically in some of the techniques but as with many other things, my main obstacle is daily repetition. Like you I had no trouble relating to the philosophy behind it based on energy, I just haven't applied myself enough to say I truly gave it a shot. Until now. Thanks for the inspiration!
I'll check out the book you posted and try the same techniques you've been working with and compare notes. ~Peace~
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The book that's being used by the people in this thread is called The Way of Energy by Lam Kam Chuen. It's the best book out there on standing qigong, or zan zhuang.
If you really want to give 'er a friend of mine bought a pretty crazy medical qigong textbook, and it's pretty spectacular: Medical Qi Gong Therapy. The edition my friend got was a big thick all-in-one book. It's pretty good. Some of the stuff in it I'd say is questionable, but check it out and decide for yourself. The exercises we call qigong are so varied: some of them are almost indistinguishable from Chan or Zen Buddhist meditation and others are closer to shamanism.
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thanks for the tip 
i realized i was bending my knees so they were pretty much lined up with the tips of my toes. when i did it today i bended my knees a little less and didnt feel any pain in my knees. but i wonder, should i be feeling a burn in my knees like i feel in my arms while i'm in that 2nd position?
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I began my Qi Gong practice today following the steps from Kam-Chuen Lam's book. I tried to set my cell phone to go off after 5 minutes for the first exercise, which it didn't so I ended up doing the Wu Chi position for 10 minutes before realizing my mistake. I could feel the burn mostly in my knees and thighs. I also found the warm ups to be somewhat strenuous but not bad.
The second exercise went well although I'm going to need to study the diagram some more so as to remember where all the balloons are and get my posture just right.
One question, have you been doing the exercises just once per day or do you do them once at night also?
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Some are almost indistinguishable from bullshit.
Oh yeah???? What about this?
Did it make you laugh or cry?
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I practice once a day. Sometimes in the morning...sometimes in the evening. Often I practice outside.
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So i've been doing each of the first 2 positions for 10 minutes a day for around 5 days now. it is pretty difficult doing that 2nd position for a full 10 minutes. as i was doing it today my arms and hands were getting extremely tingly. i was thinking to myself, wow am i getting weaker? and should i be eating breakfast before i do this every morning? then i checked out the book again for the first time in a few weeks and apparently the tingling sensation is a good thing that comes from increased blood and chi flow. i guess i'm making some progress.
for the most part i'm doing this twice a day now, once in the morning, once at night. it kind of took the place of my nightly meditation, but i still do meditate a couple days a week after the qi gong exercises.
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I just finished my first week at 5 min each, per directions in the book. Two more weeks to go. I plan on doing it twice a day (as advised in the book) as I progress towards the next level.
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Well shit...I bounced from the shroomery about 6 months ago, quit smoking and everything else, got a good job at a university, and for the most part had a much needed straightening out my chaotic nogin. During that time I started doing allot of qigong, and now here I am back to the good ol shroomery and there is a huge qigong forum going, and 2 really good books posted. Synchronicity, it never ceases to amaze me how full of them my life is sometimes.
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Well that is exactly why I keep coming back...the love. I'm pretty sure you have all been monitoring my activity's the past few months, extrapolated that I would be back on here pretty soon, and began discussing my current interests just so I would feel all warm and fuzzy. ----so romantic----
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so how's everybody doing with it?
i was supposed to start doing each position for 15 minutes today, but i think i'm going to give myself another week of 10 minutes. i feel like i'm getting better and better at remaining completely still. i think at first i was moving around a little bit without even realizing it.
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I am up to 10 minutes a day now. I like it very much and have not missed a day. Still it's too early to tell what the benefits may be in the long run.
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I spend about a minimum of 15 and a maximum of 45 minutes a day (5 to 6 days a week). I am still standing, but I am thinking about moving on to section 2 of the book. I have been juggling Qi Gong with a steady diet of kettlebell lifting and swinging. I see benefits to the Qi Gong in mental focus, but it is hard to judge. My mental focus may have improved by trying to keep from bonking myself with a kettlebell. In any case I am still on board and going strong.
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You can hold your arms in that position for 45 minutes?
Master may I sit at your feet?
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I spend some time in position 1, but I can and have "held the ball" for over 30 minutes. I don't really get distressed until about 25 minutes into it. I have considered trying it while holding my 53lb kettlebell. The standing practice does increase arm strength in the laterals quite significantly if you push yourself a tiny bit.
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I been with it for maybe a month an a half, havent missed many days, maybe i could count them on my hand. I really like the practice. 20-30 mins a day. gonna stick with it for while. awareness of the interplay of various muscles is increasing. =]
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I have done it for two (!) days now, and am sweating like crazy. Usually this happens if I mediate as much as I'd like to too. Makes me back off because so much stuff comes up at once.
Is it safe to just keep trodding through this?
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Yes. If you are having difficulty, that is all the more reason to stick with it.
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I sweat like crazy much of my practice.
I do ten minutes of just standing to get ready and then do the ball standing. I'm up to 11 minutes now. I have still not missed a day since I started. I feel if I did allow myself a day off I would find a way to quit.
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i do the first position for 10 minutes a day now, and the 2nd position for 15 minutes. in 2 weeks i think i'm going to bump each position up 5 more minutes, then after a couple weeks of that i'm going to move on to the next set of exercises.
i think ive missed a total of 3 days out of doing it for 2 months now, and i only missed because i was staying over friends places on those days.
i'm still really enjoying this. glad i started doing it.
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i'm on about the 10th day of this practice, and grateful for it.
Some numbness, and a lot of tingling in my upper back and chest are frequent. I, too, sweat like a motherfucker. It feels really good. Mmmm, chiiiiii.
it also makes me very high Mmmm, oxygeeeeennnn.
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Icelander said: I sweat like crazy much of my practice.
I do ten minutes of just standing to get ready and then do the ball standing. I'm up to 11 minutes now. I have still not missed a day since I started. I feel if I did allow myself a day off I would find a way to quit.
I will keep it up then. I sweat more after practice. Maybe I just need to work on grounding that energy.
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This is the good stuff. I have decided to enroll on studies under Master Lam himself once I return to Europe this summer.
Many of the moving qi gong exercises I have done spontaneously during trips. It feels very natural.
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I'm up to 12 minutes now. I will get to 15 in a few more days i believe. I like this more and more.
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I am very eager to up it already, but will restrain myself.
It is ok to do a longer warm up session where I include more moves, right? Have downloaded lots of instructional videos on tai chi and moving qi gong just to learn. Love to scoop until I tingle. 
I can even feel a difference in the concentration level achieved my daily meditation sittings. It might be because of several reasons, I have straightened out my diet and started doing long daily walks. Guess I am on a roll. Unsure how much of it cab be blamed on qi gong, but it seems to keep my motivation high.
Also for me it helps to give some thanks through 'prayer', and ask for continuous guidance and inner support from the Buddhas, the teachers, the friends and family. This might be silly, but it keeps me going and puts me in a good mind-space.
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If I recall he suggests that until you can stand holding the ball for at least 20 minutes you should not proceed to any other exercises.
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Yeah, I don't do any others like that. It is just some light warm up exercises. I won't add more though.
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I do all the warm-up exercised he recommends
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I had a couple of extras. But you're right again. I'll remove them for the time being.
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I believe his idea is that the standing exercise will start energy flowing thru blockages and smooth things out over a couple of months or so. Only then will the other exercises be of benefit. The aches and pains while standing are in reality blockages to energy flow. That's his idea anyway.
It's a little early but I feel like I am already getting benefit from these exercises. I feel more relaxed and sleep better. Often I wake in the night feeling like I'm on a low dose of Ecstasy, which is really nice. I have never felt that before so this might be due to standing.
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That is awesome to hear.
Despite people claiming it is too early, I am sure I feel slight differences already too. Have always been pretty sensitive to streams and tensions though, and I think practising meditation for 10 years has helped too. That is definitely an exercise in sitting still and weeding out the tensions gradually.
I do not think the other exercises will be of benefit only after having practised the standing one for a few months. That would be like claiming that other forms of chi kung that did not include the standing still were completely worthless which sounds kind of dogmatic to me.
However I do have complete trust in this system and will follow it in detail.
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Still going strong, haven't missed a day.
Stuff started coming up after yesterdays session, and I have been flooded with more latent irrationality. Lots of tears, but some kind of warm, loving feeling accompanies the crying. 
Gave up cigarettes a week ago without cravings. The habit just dropped away. Haven't done any druqs either for three weeks, which is pretty unusual for me.
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Very cool I've made the balloon stance up to 15 min per day now.
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Wow! Turned into a sadhu during the stance today. Expecting full awakening in four years.
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Expecting full awakening in four years.
But first.... a nap.
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Icelander said: Expecting full awakening in four years.
But first.... a nap.
Yup. And afterwards... another.
Starting to see that all the small choices matter. Like a fractal it spreads from all acts.
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Icelander said: Expecting full awakening in four years.
But first.... a nap.
Yup. And afterwards... another.
Starting to see that all the small choices matter. Like a fractal it spreads from all acts.
You said a lot there.
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so anybody noticing any benefits yet?
i used to be a big oversleeper, sometimes sleeping 10-11 hours a night. i've noticed that that doesnt happen anymore. i seem to wake up now pretty much 8 hours after i went to bed, feeling fully refreshed. i don't even set an alarm clock, just wake up naturally in 8 hours.
it seems like it's tough to attribute something specifically to qi gong though, as i've been doing it for a little over 2 months now, and it really could've been something else that caused the benefits.
either way, i enjoy it and certainly am going to keep at it. still at 15 min for the ball holding exercise. i feel like it's gonna be a tough jump to 20, as 15 is still really difficult right now.
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Yeah 15 can be tough, I find that going up a minute every few days or a week will get the job done without undue strain.
I am a poor sleeper and I am finding my sleeping habits improved. Still it's a little early to make any claims IMO.
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Is an constant raging erection considered a benefit?
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For your girlfriend it is.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8328924 - 04/25/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have done 20 minutes for two days running now. I think I can begin some of the other exercises.
It's interesting that the first 10 minutes is most difficult and the last 5 is the most focused and relaxed even though my body shakes with strain at times. Settling into the body at this time is an interesting experience and feels very satisfying.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8496767 - 06/07/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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so how's it goin everyone?
since the last time i posted in here i started doing balloon holding for 20 minutes, then around a week ago i moved to the next part of the book. i do 4 out of those 8 opening exercises now, soon i'll learn and incorporate the next 4. i started doing the 3rd holding the belly exercise for 5 minutes at a time, and i reduced the time of balloon holding to 15 minutes. still liking it a lot, don't miss days too often. the 20 minutes of balloon holding was pretty difficult, but i managed, but now that i moved it down to 15 minutes, i think the 15 minutes is difficult now too. it's like once i get through the 15 minutes i'm like "jeez, how did i used to do this for 20 minutes?" i've been either getting up 45 min earlier at 6am to do them before work, or if i dont get up then i do them before bed at night.
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Still practicing and have moved on to doing some of the other exercises in the book. 
In fact for the time being at least I have dumped all other weight training for a focus on this.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8499158 - 06/08/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have done the reverse. I have let Qi Gong slide, but went heavily into joint mobility, flexibility, and more kettlebell. I definitely think there is much value to it, and I will return to it shortly as my time allows. Right now I have health goals I want to complete already. It also must be said that proper kettlebell practice reinforces all the the same points covered by Qi Gong, but with strength added. I am discovering the key for me is to move from total tension to total relaxation and back at will in an instant.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8499368 - 06/08/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am trying a different form of Kettle workout:
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It makes for strong stomach muscles.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Here is a very related post that I put in Mental and Physical well being. It also could fit well with Qi Gong so here is the link:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8499479/an/0/page/0
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Huehuecoyotl said: I have done the reverse. I have let Qi Gong slide, but went heavily into joint mobility, flexibility, and more kettlebell. I definitely think there is much value to it, and I will return to it shortly as my time allows. Right now I have health goals I want to complete already. It also must be said that proper kettlebell practice reinforces all the the same points covered by Qi Gong, but with strength added. I am discovering the key for me is to move from total tension to total relaxation and back at will in an instant.
Most excellent.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8500163 - 06/08/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started with a tennis ball and now I can lift a bowling ball with my testicles. You never know when this skillset might come in handy.
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It is a very handy skill set actually. A heart rate in the upper 40s, and the capacity for insane work loads is amazing. I recently found that I could pick up 2 computers weighing about 20 pounds between the the first joint of my thumb and forefinger with each hand. This comes in handy in my job when I have to load up a bunch of junk computers for disposal.....but this is NOT Qi Gong. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...
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It also must be said that proper kettlebell practice reinforces all the the same points covered by Qi Gong, but with strength added. I am discovering the key for me is to move from total tension to total relaxation and back at will in an instant.
I thought the idea behind Qi Gong is tension and relaxation at the same time. This would be different then what you are working towards with kettlebells. Buy the way what you are doing with that idea is fundamental to success in the martial arts.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (06/09/08 11:56 AM)
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8503377 - 06/09/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kettlebell training requires that one be loose where needed and tight where necessary as well in order to conserve energy and exert maximum force with efficiency. Qi Gong does add tension...no doubt. It teaches how to remain relaxed while partially under tension, and it teaches proper breathing, but body weight cannot approach the tension generated by a by an iron sphere 24 to 40 KG in weight. It also approaches proper breathing in an imminently practical manner. The kettlebell approach is deeper than strength training. Here is a post that might answer your question. Note: light KBs are just good for teaching form. Once form is mastered heavy ones will show one the practicality of their approach. I am not dissing Qi Gong, but it was not until I started with KBs that it became obvious to me what I was doing. Qi Gong training is cloaked in mysticism while KB training is transparent. A Qi Gong approach that lays out the directives plainly would be a great benefit to practitioners. I see Qi Gong and KB as sister arts myself because of the similarities.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8499479/an/0/page/0
I wrote it yesterday. By the way kettlebell training is considered a fundamental training for many martial arts styles...particularly grappling styles.
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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (06/09/08 12:34 PM)
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Slightly different ideas that work well together.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8505242 - 06/09/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes there is a slight difference. The RKC kettlebell approach is a hybrid approach while Qi Gong is a pure oriental approach....hard style, and soft style. Had i understood what Qi Gong was truly about when I posted this it would have went into a different part of the shroomery.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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all one thing
Nothing "spiritual" that isn't material and vice versa.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8507215 - 06/10/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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true
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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I did the liver exercise one night when i took way over the lethal dose of acetaminophen and I'm still here so i think it worked
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