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Don't most rural Kentuckians have a still?
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Yes, but not at the house. We usually store them down in the holler somewhere. This keeps the revenuers from catching on.
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Laughing at our sophisticated culture is just intolerance.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8078037 - 02/27/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You really dig that rugged look, eh?
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Davy Crockett was from Tennessee....not Kentucky. Daniel Boone was infinitely more cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boone
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You all look the same to me. That includes all the states in Jesus Land.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
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i'm still doing each of the 2 exercises for 7 minutes at a time. for a little while i felt like 7 minutes wasn't really long enough of a time, but i decided to pace myself like the book recommends and not move to 10 minutes until i've been doing it for 3 weeks (been doing it for 2 weeks now). well, over the last few days the 7 minutes seems to have gotten harder. while i was doing it today i started getting really hot and broke out into a huge sweat, like the guy in the book says will happen. that was the first time that happened.
edit: also, i feel like my knees havent been in the best condition throughout most of my life. at points in my life they'd really hurt after exercising or running. lately they've been hurting again during and a couple minutes after my daily qi gong exercises. hopefully it's strengthening and healing them. i guess time will tell.
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I think you are right on to stay within the guidelines for progress. I think the best results are obtained this way.
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Yeah definitely don't push things. I am ending my 5th week doing Qi Gong, and I am doing position 1 for about 8 to 10 minutes and position 2 for about 10 to 15 minutes. Including warm up I am hitting 30 minutes most days, but if I don't feel like it I just cut it short. I don't want to force it. I'll go another another month and move on to part 2 of the book. So far I like what I have experienced.
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If you have knee problems, they probably come from some kind of uneven tension creating an unharmonious twist in your structure. If you stand in too deep a stance (knees bent too far) then it could aggravate it. Keep an eye on the discomfort, and if it persists then try to practice with your knees just barely bent. Definitely make sure that your knees don't bend so far forward that they are beyond the ends of your toes.
If you're cautious, then these exercises should release the tension and realign your structure, so keep it at, but make sure you don't hurt yourself. It's such a gentle exercise that you should be ok.
Hue: with any injury stagnation occurs. All qigong is about relaxing to allow more qi to move through blockages (where stagnation is occurring). There are some great topical herbal formulas for tears, breaks, bruises, or whatever. I don't know if you have Chinese pharmacies in "Bible Land" or wherever it is you're from, but it could be worth checking what kind of Jao, or Dit Da Joa, you have in your neighbourhood. There are also these kind of patches, kinda like nicotine patches, only they move qi into the area you place them on.
Of course, the best is to have homemade product so you know it's the real shit, made from real herbs. A Tooth From the Tiger's Mouth is a book that could help you in this regard. And no, there are no tiger parts in these formulas. In fact, with the distribution system of Chinese herbs in place today, there is no reason to use any animal-based "herbs" in any Chinese formulas.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
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I'm in Kentucky which Ice refers to as Bible land, but I have noticed that most people don't actually follow what is in the Bible...they just claim to, so his terminology is incorrect. We have health food stores, but as for Chinese pharmacies we have none. However it seems that my injury will most likely be fully healed by Saturday which will allow me to resume my daily runs. I have been looking for some good books on Chinese medicine, but I have found none. I will eventually resort to Amazon for this just to enlighten myself.
I am aware that Qi Gong promotes relaxation, but it is curious that standing still in Qi Gong practice would relax the inured area, while just standing still or sitting by itself would cause the injury to stiffen up.
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I am ending my 5th week doing Qi Gong, and I am doing position 1 for about 8 to 10 minutes and position 2 for about 10 to 15 minutes.
What happens when your daily practice exceeds 24 hours?
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Jesus land, not bible land.
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I found this book by Daniel Reid (a westerner) on Qi Gong to be pretty interesting and useful. I have only been reading the thread and haven't checked out the book you linked in the parent post yet, but the standing pose in this one sounds like the same one you have been doing for the past few weeks.
I dabble sporadically in some of the techniques but as with many other things, my main obstacle is daily repetition. Like you I had no trouble relating to the philosophy behind it based on energy, I just haven't applied myself enough to say I truly gave it a shot. Until now. Thanks for the inspiration!
I'll check out the book you posted and try the same techniques you've been working with and compare notes. ~Peace~
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The book that's being used by the people in this thread is called The Way of Energy by Lam Kam Chuen. It's the best book out there on standing qigong, or zan zhuang.
If you really want to give 'er a friend of mine bought a pretty crazy medical qigong textbook, and it's pretty spectacular: Medical Qi Gong Therapy. The edition my friend got was a big thick all-in-one book. It's pretty good. Some of the stuff in it I'd say is questionable, but check it out and decide for yourself. The exercises we call qigong are so varied: some of them are almost indistinguishable from Chan or Zen Buddhist meditation and others are closer to shamanism.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
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some of them are almost indistinguishable from Chan or Zen Buddhist meditation and others are closer to shamanism.
Some are almost indistinguishable from bullshit.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
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thanks for the tip 
i realized i was bending my knees so they were pretty much lined up with the tips of my toes. when i did it today i bended my knees a little less and didnt feel any pain in my knees. but i wonder, should i be feeling a burn in my knees like i feel in my arms while i'm in that 2nd position?
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I began my Qi Gong practice today following the steps from Kam-Chuen Lam's book. I tried to set my cell phone to go off after 5 minutes for the first exercise, which it didn't so I ended up doing the Wu Chi position for 10 minutes before realizing my mistake. I could feel the burn mostly in my knees and thighs. I also found the warm ups to be somewhat strenuous but not bad.
The second exercise went well although I'm going to need to study the diagram some more so as to remember where all the balloons are and get my posture just right.
One question, have you been doing the exercises just once per day or do you do them once at night also?
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