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OrgoneConclusion said: Not all of us are ghey...
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
#8048170 - 02/20/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah i could imagine that, sort of like freezing the moment like a photograph, the essence of the words "be here now".
very interesting, thanks.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
#8048327 - 02/20/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Check out Lam Kam Chuen's book The Way of Energy
That is the book we are mostly discussing. I put a download of it on the parent post.
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Oh good. That's all you need.
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My latest update. My practice is now at 30 minutes. I have had a fairly old injury (cut) painfully open back up and quickly re-heal. I had a lot of aching in my mouth where I have had dental problems in the past. This subsided after a few days. My wife had a re-occurance of depression that has not bothered her for several years. It lasted 4 days and then subsided quickly. It was odd because the issues involved were issues that have been for the most part resolved for a few years. She has also become nauseous during practice and started to sweat. I don't know if these things are related to the practice, but they were interestingly timed. I have experienced many of the minor effects mentioned in the book as well, like numbness, feelings of being out of symmetry, various aches and pains during practice, and tingling sensations. So far so good. I seem to be seeing the sort of effects the book mentioned which makes it more fun to pursue.
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Interesting. Let me know when it starts regrowing hair and I am definitely down with it.
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I don't need anymore hair. I got enough already. I have a couple of teeth I am expecting to regrow...and there is still the issue of total invulnerability from death.
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I don't need anymore hair. I got enough already.
I wasn't referencing back hair...
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I think you should start a thread and make it a sticky for people to use as a kind of standing qigong public journal, or a blog as I think they're called. That is if there are a few other people doing this (my impression is that there were).
Feeling sick happens. I've had to sit out in the middle of a qigong class before. You should of course keep up the practice if something like this happens, but if it becomes too much just stop and pick it back up the next day.
Psychological things definitely come out with this practice. I've met a number of people who've uncovered repressed memories of childhood through standing. It can be pretty wild. Some people say that these kind of experiences embed themselves into your body. With a practice like standing, where tension is released and energy begins to flow closer to its natural course, these things get "smoked out" so to speak.
Keep it up.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
#8058251 - 02/22/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I really intended this thread to be such a thread as long as people want to update it.
Having odd sensations, emotional upsets, or feeling sick is not something that I find disheartening for this type of practice. In fact I find such experiences to be encouraging. In my psychedelic adventures I have had experiences that were so patently weird and uncomfortable that being put off by such events is not an issue. Several times while under the influence of a psychedelic I have had my life's foundations called into question and determined to be invalid, and then had to deal with the anxiety that this produces, so I don't think Qi Gong will run me out. I am dedicating myself to at least 6 months of conscientious practice before making a definitive judgment call of any kind on it. I will then assess my situation and progress and determine where I should go from there.
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This is not a direct comment on qi gong per se, but I found some fasting stories to be similar and amusing in that if you feel sick, the fasting is working. If you feel great the fasting is working. If you feel tired, the fasting is working. If you feel energized, the fasting is working.
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I did those exact exercises a couple of times a day for a few months. Eventually it got to a point where every breath i took in everyday life felt and tasted really fresh and clear. Im not sure exactly how they work, but they do seem to be powerfull, it was probably one of the healthiest ive ever felt. But as with most things i stopped doing them, and now i dont really have enough time to myself to start again.
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what's your point?
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Orgone: The standing method we're discussing here is a very natural practice. I wouldn't say that about not eating or drinking for prolonged periods. Also, nausea isn't an indicator that it's working. Neither are tingling sensations, vibrations, feelings of heat, numbness etc.
These are all just feelings you might have as you practice. Don't cling to them, just notice them, feel them, and then let them go. A few years ago I had, on a couple occasions, an incredible feeling of lightness; like I was just going to float away or something. That feeling has never returned with so much power. It would be kinda fun if I could do that all the time, but oh well.
Something I've noticed with some people is that when they get a sensation in qigong, like warm hands or something, they make a big deal out of it and tell their friends or whatever as if a beam of golden light is going to start shooting out of their heads any day now. Those types never stick with it.
A few weeks ago we started a class with twenty minutes of standing. In the middle of it I started catching really strong whiffs of nag champa incense. After we stopped standing I asked the person next to me if she could smell it too and she said no. I should mention that in comparisons I've done with other people I have a really poor sense of smell. The class continued; all kinds of smells started hitting me: toothpaste, body odour, more incense. At the end of class I walked past a group of people getting their stuff together and as I passed I distinctly smelled each one in turn.
So yeah, extreme olfactory sensitivity, add that one to your list of possible qigong experiences.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Notendo]
#8059420 - 02/23/08 06:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am noting what I am experiencing because the book had a table with a list of effects and when during practice that they occur. This allows me to evaluate the material the author has presented by comparing notes.
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Another Qi Gong update. A couple of days ago I pulled a calf muscle while exercising. I was jumping rope of all things. I heard that it was great exercise so I went out and bought a jump rope and I was all set to go. I jumped rope for all of 30 seconds when it felt like I had a charlie horse in my left calf. I tried to "walk it off" and realized that this was not going away, and that I was in fact injured. It was bad enough that I had great difficulty walking. That night I did my nightly Qi Gong. After about a 25 minute stationary Qi Gong session I noted that the pain had mostly gone away in the calf, and that I could almost walk normally. By the next morning the pain had resumed it previous intensity. That night (last night) I did Qi Gong again and got the same effect...except the pain did not return to it's previous intensity this morning. Both times the Qi Gong caused the pain and tightness in the muscle to abate. I have heard that Qi Gong increases blood flow in the body which would be a good explanation for the mechanism which I experienced, but that is just a guess. Any other suggestions? In any case I find this to be a helpful thing, and I will continue with my practice.
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It is obvious that Qi Gong weakened your calf muscle as I have never had an injured calf nor practiced Qi Gong.
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I found out that jumping rope often causes that sort of injury. There is a pre-existing correlation. I am not claiming miraculous ground breaking healing powers, but I think there is something to Qi Gong. Scientific studies seem to indicate the same. I might never achieve trans-dimensional reality shifts, but there does appear to be some benefit.
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It at least keeps you stationary for some part of the day.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8077454 - 02/27/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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It does. I don't stay in one place very long. Qi Gong and the shroomery are about all that keeps me still.
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