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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
    #8031011 - 02/16/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No. I do not endorse this. I am presenting it for discussion. It is apparent that internal energy exercises work somehow, because they do work in a non specific way. The Chinese explanation may totally miss the mark, but they tried explaining it. Why should we turn our nose up at examining traditional medicine. With an open mind there may be something to learn.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8031022 - 02/16/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No darling, you got me all wrong. I meant it as a good thing.:lol:


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
    #8031233 - 02/16/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Soon you will belong in the PNW.:lol:




The PNW is sooo nineties. Can't believe you have not yet evolved past that safe cocoon.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
    #8031237 - 02/16/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

PNW rules:rockon::heartpump:


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031257 - 02/16/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it is a pleasant incubation chamber, but how long do you wish to stay in the womb?


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8031269 - 02/16/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree. I want my ideas criticized and evaluated. No one says I have to believe other people's opinions or take them seriously, but peer review is a good influence sometimes.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8031272 - 02/16/08 01:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I recently made my way down the canal.
I plan on eating the placenta.
The space needle is a mushroom.
There's a lightning bolt for christ's sake.
Pubes on my shoulders.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031289 - 02/16/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

...and how has Qi Gong worked out for you?


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8031293 - 02/16/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wonders man wonders.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8031678 - 02/16/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The Pal Dan Gum is a good set of stretches. Your post is the first time I've seen the other exercises. The holding the belly in the third position is, I think, good toner for the muscles of the lower abdomen and back. Haven't tried any of the other .


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: falcon]
    #8031879 - 02/16/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have tried only the first 2 positions. I am going to stick with those for a while before moving on.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8032050 - 02/16/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How are you learning? In my experience Dr. Yang Jwing Ming has the best instructional tapes and books on the subject.

I have been slacking a lot lately on my training, but when I was heavy into martial arts, I incorporated 10-15 minutes of Qi Gong at the beginning of every session as well as at the beginning and end of the day. It did wonders for my focus and channeling of energy as well as general grounded-ness and balance. I consider it a crucial component of any well-rounded and complete training. I would often break into a full body sweat after just 5 or so minutes of doing some of the grounding exercises.. intense to say the least.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Shroomism]
    #8032210 - 02/16/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The book I posted on the parent post is where I am starting. I am on part one. I have seen a great many instructional books and videos, but that one seemed the most squared away for the beginner to me.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8032252 - 02/16/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good stuff. I skipped over the file on your initial post but I just checked it out and skimmed through it.. looks pretty solid.. covers the fundamentals well. Not sure if you've gotten to the "full circle" exercise yet but I would think you would be noticing some changes by then.

If clearing energy blockages and getting a more consistent "flow" is your goal.. I can not really think of any other means better than Qi Gong for attaining that.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Shroomism]
    #8033285 - 02/17/08 12:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I find it like a standing meditation
Relaxing and revitalizing
Only done the first 2 poses as i plan to do this for awhile
first attempt was weird, first 5 mins seemed like 30 secs, so i do 10 min in first pose 5 in second as of now.
awesome addition to yoga and meditation


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8046664 - 02/20/08 10:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i've been doing it for a week now. it says in the book to do it for 3 weeks before adding 5 minutes to each pose, but i'm just going to add a minute or 2 each week instead i think. when the 6 minute mark comes, i always want to see how much longer i can hold the position for.

my knees ached after doing it a couple of days last week, now it just seems that my arms ache, but less and less each day i feel like. i like how it makes you breathe deeper, but without gasping for breath like a tough set of exercises. i definitely feel really refreshed after i do it. i like this a lot. :thumbup:


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: nightkrawler]
    #8047221 - 02/20/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i definitely feel really refreshed after i do it

I like a nice toner after a mild soap to achieve this same effect.:thumbup:


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
    #8047245 - 02/20/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I heard heroin'd do it.


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
    #8047392 - 02/20/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not all of us are ghey...


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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8047644 - 02/20/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys,

I was just passing through and your post about qi gong drew me in. Relative to your nascent practices I'm a long-time qi gong practitioner (that means a few years).

There are a lot of different types of qigong out there, and I'm glad to see you guys have caught onto the standing. It's probably one of the best methods out there, being especially relevant to members of modern society in that it is well-suited to balance our unique pathologies (I'll forgo listing these).

When you stand, you're still for basically the only time in your life. When you sleep you're moving around, rolling here and there, and when you sit on the bus or drive or sit at your desk, whatever it is, you're not still. Practicing being still in a natural (as opposed to the contorted postures of some systems) posture can have incredible effects.

Basically, as I see it, when you take up one of these standing postures, the first step is to tire out the big muscles until they give way to the little muscles. If you've started standing, you've probably noticed how painful and difficult it can be to stand still. Your neck and shoulders probably ache. The tension will be released, though, so stick with it. They say the harder it is to stand, the more you need it.

So anyway, your breath will deepen, which will increase your oxygen exchange, and as your muscles slowly let go, blood circulation will increase. This is increasing qi flow. This is also a step towards achieving uniform tension throughout the whole body, which is one of the requirements for "internal" martial artists who want to develop that whole-body power the Chinese martial arts like taiji quan and xinyi quan are so famous for. But that's another story.

My advice is to look into finding a qualified teacher. There are plenty of bad teachers everywhere, unfortunately, so I'll wish you luck. It's very important with even simple body practices like standing, to have someone of a level there in person to mimic.

But if you don't have a teacher, sticking with good books should be fine. Check out Lam Kam Chuen's book The Way of Energy. It's the best book about standing on the market, no contest.

Somebody mentioned Dr. Yang Jwing Ming's books. I'll be bringing six or seven of them to the used bookstore tomorrow, by coincidence. The Way of Energy is actually the only book on qigong that will survive the current purge of my material possessions.

Just remember when your practice to be completely still. You take your posture, and then you freeze, and you hold that. It's a very common mistake (one I made until I finally met a high level teacher). People tend to move around and adjust. They move this shoulder a bit, beacuse they feel that was the wrong spot, then the turn their head a bit because it was a little tense, or whatever. In class, every now and then, my teacher will give a "don't move" command because somebody will be squirming around. You take the posture and hold, and then you change to another posture. This is one thing that's very good about practicing a system with a number of postures that you go through: After five or ten or two minutes or whatever you can hold well, you have a chance to change and correct whatever was wrong with your posture.

Of course, in the beginning, you might catch yourself pushed out of the ground completely with locked knees and you have to go "oh yea, right" and sink back to bend your knees a little. Or mmaybe without realizing it you've pulled your shoulders up to your ears. Let them drop, that's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is complete stillness. Very important. Very very important.

Another thing: In the long term, it doesn't matter, but as beginners, practice with your eyes open. It will keep your posture better. I stand every day and I have for some time, but I always practice with my eyes open.

Anyway, I just spewing information out now, so I'll stop while I can. The important thing is to practice and keep at it.


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