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Qi Gong Practice
#8005081 - 02/10/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have been practicing Qi Gong for a couple of weeks. I am starting at the beginning with devoting most of my time to the start position right now. I decided that my belief systems were compatible with seeing my body (and everything else) as an energy field years ago. In practice I have benefited immensely by using this model of how the universe is structured, so convincing me of the practicality of this idea is not necessary. First hand experience trumps all. Qi Gong uses this idea as it's foundation. I am seeking to make more energy available to myself by freeing obstructed energy (mentally, physically, spiritually) that I already posses. If this works it seems to be a good investment (of my energy) for the return (of energy)I will give it 6 months to evaluate it.
What do you guys think of this practice and it's underlying conepts? Has anyone else tried it for a reasonable time? Relate your experience please.
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Cheeeeeeee Goooonnnnnnggggg!
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8005200 - 02/10/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is the pronunciation alright...actually I think it is more accurate to say Chi Kung, BUT have you tried it? Maybe you have an opinion.
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I think it's called Chop suey.
I have only dabbled in it. I'm guessing it's a good idea. Maybe not up to all the hype but still good.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8005259 - 02/10/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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At this point in my life I can even tell small fluctuations in my available energy quite finely, so any improvements will be appreciated. I do not expect the hype to be true. I have realistic expectations. I feel that it will make invisibility and total invulnerability to death available to me in just a few weeks.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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You will always be at my mercy dude. I'm very good at seeing things that aren't there.
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When you can fry a raw fish held in your hands by channeling Qi energy, then you have Mastered Qi Gong (and then may sell your BBQ).
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First hand experience trumps all.
Sorry, not buying today. A man who believes he is Napolean, doesn't make him Napolean.
Third time today (and hundreth overall): There is no limit to self delusion.
People swear by acupuncture and yet it has been shown to be total bunk.
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Most Western medical practitioners and many practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine, as well as the Chinese government, view qigong as a set of breathing and movement exercises, with possible benefits to health through stress reduction and exercise.
-- Wikipedia
Modern science seems to see a benefit to it.
So, you've never tried it and you are ignorant of it's use or benefits? Next.
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False assumption; false assumption. It is as good a practice as yoga or Tai Chi, but there is no mystical component.
Energy has measurable quanities unless you are making up a whole new word that is spelled the same as 'energy'. Qi as a force is unmeasurable and undemonstrable and indistinguishable from imagination.
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Boys, boys. Lets not quibble. (on second thought why not? ) Anywho, I think any exercise one does that helps one pay attention to being relaxed in the body will have similar effects. Noone is much better or different is my guess from experiencing several of them over the years. I think it's fun to keep switching around but you have to do one long enough to get the benefit.
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8005433 - 02/10/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Boys, boys. Lets not quibble.
I hear and obey great Quibble Master. 
I don't deny the beneficial effects of any form of exercise (except golf & shuffleboard).
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When I say energy I am referring to measurable electrical biological energy. I am not discussing a mystical force. Science tends to see the universe as an energy field or wave phenomenon. That is not my opinion, but pure physics.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8005528 - 02/10/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Relaxation and mental focus make one more efficient in the use of their available biological energy do they not? If this energy exercise does this then it does what it claims. I consider weight lifting and running to be very good energy exercises as they fine tune ones ability to use their energy, and lessen it's expenditure in the course of daily activity. It helps one to "plug ones leaks".
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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As human beings we construct electromechanical devices (microchips and circuit boards) to regulate the flow of energy through electronic devices but still most refuse to believe that Universal energy exists. We physically contain energy in batteries and power plants by means of converting one form of energy into another more immediately useful form, yet still refuse to admit that the same energy that powers our technologies is flowing within all of us every moment of every day. Some refuse to believe because their religion considers Universal energy to be heresy or the whispers of the devil since energy has no form worthy of a deity? The pragmatic types see energy as a fantasy substance used by hippies to think about when they get high. They view it only as a power source for their laptops, cell phones and wide screen TV’s.
Our brains and hearts operate on electrical energy input as do our nervous systems and every other function of our body. It’s what makes our arms move and our eyes blink and our brains function. We use the term ‘take some time off to recharge your batteries’ yet we don’t connect the dots and realize that it is a true statement of fact as beings of this universe. Energy is everywhere, in everything and necessary to what we call ‘life’. When someone is ‘run down’ from expending too much energy they need to sit calmly without expending energy and reclaim the energy they lost before they can go on.
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Huehuecoyotl said: Relaxation and mental focus make one more efficient in the use of their available biological energy do they not? If this energy exercise does this then it does what it claims. I consider weight lifting and running to be very good energy exercises as they fine tune ones ability to use their energy, and lessen it's expenditure in the course of daily activity. It helps one to "plug ones leaks".
Sure
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Re: Qi Gong Practice [Re: Icelander]
#8013967 - 02/12/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've decided to post an update on my practice and the effects it has. My practice is limited to two positions right now. One is the start position...standing with knees slightly bent, and hands at the sides. The other is "holding the balloon". It is similar to start, but the hands are extended in the front as if gripping a large balloon. I started doing 5 minutes in each position, standing perfectly still. The author of the book I am using recommends working up to maintaining the balloon position for 30 to 40 minutes a day. At this point I am holding the second position for 9 minutes. It actually becomes very painful and stressed. Keeping a relaxed state becomes very difficult beyond 5 minutes right now. I find it interesting that I am only standing stationary, but my thighs and shoulders are starting to ache fairly severely in the muscles during the day, and I suspect that it is from this practice. I run and weight train regularly and have long been over the soreness associated with those activities. My wife said that pain is returning to the sites of old injuries that she has suffered in the distant past. The author explains it as energy blockages that form from improper healing of the injury. He says that once circulation starts to return to the injury site that the injury will finish healing properly and the pain will cease. If this is so then this might be a useful practice for knee and back pain. In any case the practice is to use only these 2 positions for several months before moving forward. It is claimed that this will stimulate energy flow in the energy field (we are actually energy fields, and I believe that science recognizes this). This will enhance circulation and proper airflow it is claimed.
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Interesting. How deep a stance are you in?
I know this is different as it is more of a strength training exercise, but I have some racquetball students place their back flat up against the wall with the thighs parallel to the floor and hold. It is rare for someone to fold for 90 seconds - at least without practice.
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The author said to bend the knees just enough to feel the stress from it. The stance I am in is not really deep...nowhere near full squat. I am familiar with the wall squat, and I have timed myself doing it for 3 minutes recently. I am not squatting as deeply as that by any means, and I am an accomplished "wall squatter", so this makes the soreness all the more interesting. I think standing still has something to do with it. I am beginning to think that spending months learning how to stand still may be beneficial to my health and attention.
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I am beginning to think that spending months learning how to stand still may be beneficial to my health and attention.
Here is the end result:
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