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    #800321 - 08/06/02 04:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Hello all. Bruka here. I pose a questione....

I heard from a birdie that one can grind mushrooms to a powder, then put the powder into capsules (ie. like here http://www.cap-m-quik.com ) and ingest then this way. Can it work? Will the capsules interfere with the effects of the shroomies? I would like some feedback, the dam shanooks are getting crazzie here


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #800709 - 08/06/02 07:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Do a search, there's been a ton of posts about this. And yes it does work, and saves you having to chew down unpleasant shrooms (if the taste bothers you).


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Sheepish]
    #802627 - 08/07/02 03:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, I found a very useful string on this board.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #803663 - 08/08/02 01:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)


I use capsels sometimes, but I prefer to use them as an easy way to carry them with me and to measure with. I use the OOO size horsepills and dump them out into OJ when I trip--kicks in much faster (15-20 min. verses an hour if you do take the capsels). But, it is an excellent way to dodge the taste, and they look very inconspicious in an old herbal supplement jar...



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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #803812 - 08/08/02 05:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

While it is true that some individuals powder their mushrooms into capsules, it is not what the experience is all about. as noted above in one post, the high comeon is rather fasrt.

The Mazatec Indians who have used these sacred mushrooms for thousands of years take from 10 to 30 minutes or more to eat a dose. This is so the experience and effects of the mushrooms come on gradually, very slow in waves and ripples. This is part of the high and it does not shock the nervous system as does making a tea or capsule which brings the high on real fast. They do it that way for a reason and two thousand years of culture doing them that way mut have some substance to why they do that like that.


So many individuals bebased the sacred mushrooms with their methods of ingestion or attempts to be instanly on another plance or level of consciousness by getting there in a hurry.

Wlell people who are in a hurry go nowhere fast.

When the the comeon is slow and natural the high is much more comfortable without the quesuness or shakjiness or shocked nergous system effects when taken in a tea. Which often causes confusion to the user during the intial take off.

When slow you will find that the visuals will last longer and the high will be a good for hours of colors.

Of course most individualas never do attain a state of being equivalent to a Mazatec Indian Ceremonial dosage and many individuals tell me they never see visuals or colors. Well that is because they do not eat the proper dosage and I usually tell them that maybe they were never meant to see anything. The reason they do not is because they do not eat the right amount. Most consume one to three grams of ccubies and that is a mild dose.

OF course that is what most people can handle.

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #803884 - 08/08/02 06:31 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That's an interesting thing you say mjshroomer. I notice that modern humans (technologically based one) have developed a low tolerance for patience. Things need to be done efficiently and immediately; no time to waste. Perhaps this is an exaggeration, yet I see some truth in it.

Yet I must disagree with you on what you said; "Well people who are in a hurry go nowhere fast." I don't believe that is completely true, yet again there is some truth there.

I leave you with some questions mjshroomer, or for someone else who would like to answer:

- Do you know of any cultures who historically ground the dried psychedelic mushrooms into powder for ingestion?

- How may one ingest powdered mushrooms and allow a slow onset of the psychedelic effects (where legal to do so)?

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #803893 - 08/08/02 06:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Strange, I've always found capsuled mushrooms take a lot longer to come on than drinking powdered mushrooms with juice. Usually a good 2-3 hours longer.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Xlea321]
    #803944 - 08/08/02 07:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

They do.. Grinding them up and putting them in a tea will make the effects kick in faster..


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Xlea321]
    #804000 - 08/08/02 08:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I forgot to mention that the Mazatec and other indigenous peoples who consume these mushrooms do so after a twenty-four hour fast. If you have food in your system then it will take a lot longer to conme on. heavy food and then eating them might not get you off very much becasue the poswer would get caght in the food in your stomach and not get into your system until it was very weak and expired chemicals.

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #804034 - 08/08/02 08:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps taking 2-5 dried grams, powdered, on an empty stomach (in 2-5 "00" capsules*) might provide a window of 30 - 70 minutes before the "journey" begins. Wash it all down with your favorite liquid. Of course time modifications may need to be made depending on a persons body weight.

Sounds like it may work!

*on average, a "00" sized capsule can hold a maximum of 1000mg (1g) of powdered "vitamin".
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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Xlea321]
    #804042 - 08/08/02 08:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

2-3 hours? Alex123, did you fast prior to ingesting?


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #804410 - 08/08/02 12:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah i usually trip sunday morning - don't eat anything from around 8pm the previous night. When i drink the powder in juice it comes on in around 10 minutes. Use the capsules and i'm still waiting 2 hours later.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #804472 - 08/08/02 12:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you been successful in getting 1000mg (1gram) of powdered shroom into the "00" caps, or do you use the "000" caps? I have trouble cramming 500mg into the "00" caps, and there's no way they'd take more than that.

I find the onset with caps to be about the same as when eaten fresh or dried, about 30-45min, depending on whether I've eaten anything before them or not. My spouse always has a window of about 1.5-2 hours before they kick in for her. YMMV......


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #805085 - 08/08/02 05:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No, I haven't tried capping mushroom powder yet into the "00" capsules. I have capsulated ground Syrian Rue (an MAOI) into "00" capsules . I have a Cap-M-Quick setup ( http://www.cap-m-quik.com ) for both "0" and "00" capsules, and a tamping tool that presses the powder tight into the capsule. I use VCAPS in both "0" and "00", but I like the "00" because you can get about 1000mg (1g) of "vitamin powder" into each capsule (if you tamper it tight).

QUESTION: I don't know the density of mushroom powder. Is the same as Syrian Rue? If they are about the same, then one can get 1000mg (1g) of mushroom powder into one "00" capsule




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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #805105 - 08/08/02 06:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I always dose with capsuels, that way i can avoid eating the damn things!

If the wait time is bothering you with casuels there is an easy way around that. Fill your casuel as normal but before you dose open up the 2 parts of the casuel carefully. Dont open them all the way, just enough so the 2 sides are loosly holding together, carefully put the casuels on your tounge and drink some juice. I find with thise the trip begins to come up within 10 minutes. The only downside is the come-up is very short and strong.

If you would like the trip to come on slow then take 2 casuels and take 2 in 30 mins etc. until your dose is reached.

I find that you can put 1 gram in 00 casuels is you pack it down alot. I filled both sides of the capsue as much as i can. I used a pencil(ya i know it sucks) to jam the powder down on both sides, put some more in the cap and packed again. Then i put all my hand power into closeing the cap. The weight of the casuel came out to 1.1 g(0.1 g is the casuel weight).

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #805290 - 08/08/02 07:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That Cap'M'Quick setup is the exact same one I have, and I can't get more than about 550mg in each one (and that's if I work at it--getting 500 in there is usually a matter of filling, tamping, filling, tamping, etc. Then I press each one hard with an unsharpened pencil, fill some more, and fill the tops to get 500mg)....

A coffee grinder works great for grinding 'em, and the powder gets pretty fine, but there's always some little fibrous pieces that take up space.

Anyone else have any experience with this? I thought it was more or less a given that the 00 caps will hold half a gram.....


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #805519 - 08/08/02 08:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

henryp, if you already have the Cap-M-Quick rig, then it pays to get the tamper. It's rather affordable (about $5). You can buy it online if need be (refer to the link I posted above)

I just thought of this, not everyone gets their mushrooms to the same dryness. Some get them pretty dry, some very dry, and some cracker dry. Depending on what dryness is achieved greatly influences the weight of the powder (the extra weight being water). This is something to consder henryp, how dry is your powder?

I think that sifting out that fibrous material will leave you with a fine powder that will allow a densely packed "00" capsule. Of course, I don't know if there is any "elf spice" in the fibrous material you mention. If so, keep it and keep any gold nuggets you find from the sifting

Lastly, I think all our questions can be answered if we can get a consensus on the density of powdered mushrooms. Who can we ask?

Just in case, Density = (Mass) / (Volume)

? Mass is in milligrams, Volume is in milliliters


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #805851 - 08/08/02 10:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

mj, is it okay to drink stuff like fruit juices and v-8 while fasting for a trip?


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #806265 - 08/09/02 06:45 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, I have the tamper (got the whole setup at once), and I sift the powder with a flour sifter, and still can't get more than about 550mg in 00 caps. They're cracker dry (stored in a glass container with a generous layer of drierite to keep the air water free). Just like the American Revolutionary soldiers, I keep my powder dry

It'll be interesting to see what experience others have had with this. Anyone else able to get more than 0.5g in 00 caps?


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #806499 - 08/09/02 08:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i have gotten .6 grams and the cap. weighs .1 craker dry, i mean craker dry. pressed down into both side with a nail, yes that does suck. thats it no more. i bout shit when someone said 1grm. mine are all bloated and shit barelly able to close. thats just me.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #806629 - 08/09/02 09:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm beginning to get suspicious that it may take the "000" capsule to get about 1000mg (1g) of mushroom powder encapsulated. Seems like the Syrian Rue seeds are indeed more dense that the mushroom powder, and that may be because I don't dry the Syrian Rue before encapsulating it (which I don't think one needs to do).

I saw on Cap-M-Quiks site that the complete set for the "000" capsules is $43.95. It may or may not be worth it. I mean, if you don't have resource to a good scale then knowing that the "000" capsule will allow about 1000mg (1g) of shroom powder would be great! But if one has a good scale, it really doesn't matter.



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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: highoman]
    #806639 - 08/09/02 09:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That's funny, I get about 580mg of ground Syrian Rue into "0" capsules, with tamping.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? - SPECS [Re: Brukan]
    #806676 - 08/09/02 10:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Some Tech Specs I found this on http://www.trinityherb.com
The "?" symbol seperates categories and entries.

Capsule Weight and Length
(assumed moisture content 14 - 14.5%)
Size ? Avg. Weight per cap (mg) ? Length (in)
0 ? 96 +/- 8 ? 0.835
00 ? 122 +/- 10 ? 0.917
000 ? 163 + /- 13 ? 1.029


Capsule Capacity ?? Powder Dose Density
Size ? Capsule Vol. (mg) ?? 0.6g/cc ? 1.0g/cc
0 ? 0.68 ?? 408 ? 680
00 ? 0.95 ?? 570 ? 950
000 ? 1.37 ?? 822 ? 1370

Solubility
Empty gelatin capsules meet Federal Specification
U-C-115B: i.e. Capsules dissolve or disintegrate
within five minutes when immersed in a 0.5% Hcl
solution at 36-38?C (This is not water immersion)

So perhaps the powder density of cracker dry mushrooms is 0.6g/cc? If so, then even the "000" capsules may not be enough for a 1000mg (1g) dose.

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #806927 - 08/09/02 12:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I think you're right, it's the 000 caps that might take 1g each.

But who wants to try to swallow those gigantic things? Not me! I have enough trouble getting the 00's down....


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #806948 - 08/09/02 12:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You all should look at the "Pill Machine" also, if you like the cap-m-quik. they have it at http://www.capsuleconnection.com/ . I thought it was a better product. I do agree though that .5g is about all you can get in a 00 sized.

www.vitapress.com has a metal press, that someone claimed could get 4g in a single pill, but I have not verified that, and the email sent to their site is never responded to. Oh well.

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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: Brukan]
    #807290 - 08/09/02 03:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I noticed you said you use VCAPS, am I to assume these are vegetable caps (primarily for vegens as geletin contains some animal product) I have read that vegetable caps take around 45 minutes on average to dissolve as opposed to 20 for geletin capsules. I myself have geletin capsules and when I eat shroomerdude capsules I can feel effects within 20 min.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: darkfly]
    #807326 - 08/09/02 03:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah. According to http://www.capsugel.com ...

In reply to:

the Vcaps? capsules are two-piece capsules made from cellulosic raw materials that satisfy vegetarian and cultural needs. Vcaps capsules are an attractive, preservative-free, all natural dosage form that retains all the advantages of standard two-piece capsules: easy to swallow, effectively mask taste and odor, and allow product visibility. This capsule of plant origin meets the strict dietary needs of customers that choose vegetarian, as well as Kosher lifestyles.




I haven't confirmed that VCAPS take 45 min to break down. Would you send me a link or reference to confirm that darkfly

But according to my previous post, it should take gelcaps about 5 min to dissolve in the human stomach


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: darkfly]
    #807546 - 08/09/02 05:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

darkfly, I use the veggie caps also, and have experienced the effects in as little as 20 min......YMMV


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: henryp]
    #814265 - 08/13/02 07:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I must thank you all.

I've learned so much from this discussion.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1055252 - 11/15/02 11:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has a lot of points that people don't agree on...

Some say that capsuled bring an faster onset, and some say that it is about the same as consuming normal dried mushrooms....

If one was using a capsule ingestion method and wanted a smoother, slower onset... Would It not make sense to follow what has been said as follows:

In reply to:

The Mazatec Indians who have used these sacred mushrooms for thousands of years take from 10 to 30 minutes or more to eat a dose.




I'd say its safe to assume everyone is either using OO or OOO capsules... OO's are holding about .5g each... so to take an eigth, you've got 7 capsules... Why not just swallow these over the course of 20-30 minutes?


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: absolute zero]
    #1055512 - 11/15/02 01:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm using "0" caps with cracker dry powder, & despite a lot of fussing, the most I can get in is .3 gm.

FWIW, I think caps are a great way to ingest shrooms.  If the Mayans or Incas had gelcaps, they woulda used 'em.  :grin: 


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: vildechayea]
    #1055559 - 11/15/02 01:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, look at the last post date, 08/13/02. It's 3 months old. start a new thread, don't bring one back from the dead.


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Re: encapsulating mushroom powder? WHAA? [Re: daussaulit]
    #1057079 - 11/16/02 12:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If you want the pills to break down quicker all you have to do is take a pin and put a bunch of holes in the gel cap.


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* making shroom capsules
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