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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8004294 - 02/10/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what is this RC and ALD52 i keep reading about. i know lsd but some of the other acronyms are loosing me here. i always thought the stuff i was taking was lsd i had no idea there were other similar things out there that produced those effects and still fit on blotter paper. could someone elaborate or tell me where to look for it myself.

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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Swan Song]
    #8004324 - 02/10/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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lostinnc said:
what is this RC and ALD52 i keep reading about. i know lsd but some of the other acronyms are loosing me here. i always thought the stuff i was taking was lsd i had no idea there were other similar things out there that produced those effects and still fit on blotter paper. could someone elaborate or tell me where to look for it myself.

Thanks

Lost




Some people think that the sunshine acid of the early 70's was actually ALD-52, because when the chemists got caught that's what they said it was. In reality they were probably just saying that to avoid being caught for making a highly controlled substance, and either way ALD-52 undergoes hydrolysis to create LSD so it seems unlikely to me that anybody distributes ALD.


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: g00ru]
    #8004340 - 02/10/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

who would listen to leary about anything having to do with chemistry?!?!?!?! he was a psychology professor, not a chemist. he never cooked it up.


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Cepheus]
    #8004375 - 02/10/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The only isomers you will get are the isomers at the position where the amide is attached, ie. D-LSD and D-iso-LSD. The other two possible isomers next to the amine (L-LSD and L-iso-LSD) aren't produced naturally or during the synthesis.

I doubt anyone would bother making ALD-52 to sell, possibly though to satisfy personal curiosity, since it needs an extra synthetic step, doesn't increase potency and is just as illegal because of the analog act. The last thing you would want to do if you have grams or more of illegaly produced LSD is do more chemistry on it!


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: iBruiseBlue]
    #8004643 - 02/10/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm aware of why Hoffman named it LSD-25, my question was simply this, does today's street blotter contain the exact compound that was accidentally ingested that fateful April afternoon?




LSD is LSD. If it's not LSD, then its not LSD. Of course there's lots of 'fake' stuff that goes around all the time, but that doesn't mean that there isn't real LSD anymore. And yeah its the same as it was in the 60s.

That is of course unless its not LSD. You get me :smile2:


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Robo]
    #8004917 - 02/10/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So technically, the last person to make "LSD-25" was the first. Hoffman. But plenty of others have synthesized the molecule since, and continue to do so to this day. Just because I don't know how doesn't mean that others can't do it. They still test for and arrest for LSD.


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: 04281969]
    #8005227 - 02/10/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is why I love chemistry. It defies age, trend, etc.

A chemical will be identical to another sample at a different time, place, etc.

I see no reason that LSD would not exist in large amounts worldwide to this day. :shrug:


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: 04281969]
    #8005291 - 02/10/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So technically, the last person to make "LSD-25" was the first.  Hoffman.



:confused::confused::confused:

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.  There's no difference between LSD-25 and d-lysergic diethylamide. 

That'd be like me claiming that the last "real" heroin was the stuff synthesized by C.R. Alder Wright, and everything since then hasn't been "true" heroin.  :wtf:


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8006024 - 02/10/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What I mean to say by that is the term "LSD-25" was actually a designation created by the Sandoz company in order to keep its chemical stocks separate. But, d-lysergic diethylamide is something that many people have synthesized.

Like, if synthesized, or clinically manufactured mescaline were named "Mescazol" by Globochem, and someone in their home made some mescaline, they shouldn't call it "Mescazol".


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: 04281969]
    #8006297 - 02/10/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ah, I get you now.  :strokebeard:

But I think I still have to respectfully disagree.

Take aspirin as a counterexample.  "Aspirin" is the brand name given to acetylsalacylic acid (ASA).  If I synthed some ASA (which I actually did in high school), I wouldn't call it ASA; I'd call it aspirin.  Because that's something people call it.

Or heroin.  If I synthesized some diacetylmorphine (aka diamorphine, aka acetomorphine), I wouldn't call it any of those fancy names; I'd call it heroin (again, that's its original patent name), because that's something people call it.


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8008026 - 02/11/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Aspirin is really old, though. Lots of lawyers have come and gone since. Today there are common names, generic names, and patented names with copyrights, etc.

I just think that if another drug company were ever to make LSD, they wouldn't call it LSD-25. But, it's an issue hardly worth worrying too much about.


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8008673 - 02/11/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You shouldn't listen to a thing Leary ever said he was completely full of shit.



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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: mr_pat]
    #8008679 - 02/11/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You shouldn't listen to a thing Leary ever said he was completely full of shit.



:thumbup:




and  a narc




why do you say that? not disagreeing or anything, just curious..


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8008731 - 02/11/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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PilzeEssen said:
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mr_pat said:
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Entropymancer said:
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You shouldn't listen to a thing Leary ever said he was completely full of shit.



:thumbup:




and  a narc




why do you say that? not disagreeing or anything, just curious..




Timothy Leary, the counter-culture guru of the Sixties, who urged his generation to "tune in, turn on, drop out" informed on friends and helpers in order to get out of jail early.

That is the picture that emerges from Federal Bureau of Investigation documents now published on the Internet.


When Timothy Leary died from prostate cancer in 1996 at the age of 76, obituary writers focused on his experimentation with drugs, his counter-culture history, and how Mr Leary chronicled his slow death via the Internet.

The former Harvard professor of psychology had preached anti-establishment slogans all his adult life.

But after he was jailed on narcotics charges in 1974, Mr Leary began cooperating with FBI agents investigating his 1971 escape from a California prison.

He had been helped by members of the radical Weather Underground group to escape from the jail and, after hiding in a series of safe houses, he was smuggled out of the country with the help of a false passport and other fake documents provided by the Weathermen.

Change of heart

After being extradited from Switzerland and returned to a US jail, Mr Leary decided to cooperate. He told FBI agents this was not only because he wanted to be released, but also because he had developed a desire for a collaborative and honourable relationship with law enforcement officers.

"I want get out of prison as quickly as I can," he told the investigators. "And I believe that telling the total truth is the best way to get out of prison."

"I prefer to work, I'm never going at it illegally ever again," Mr Leary continued in his statement, " but I would prefer to work constructively and collaboratively with intelligence and law enforcement people who are willing to forget the past."

Mr Leary justified his decision by saying he wanted to continue contributing to public debates.

"I still have a lot to say ... it's part of a longer range plan of mine," he said according to the...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/380815.stm

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS255US255&q="timothy+leary"+informer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: mr_pat]
    #8008813 - 02/11/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i thought he was part of the hemlock society, and decided to end his life himself?


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Re: Was Owsley the Last True LSD-25 Cook? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8031560 - 02/16/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone who's taken LSD realize that there HAS to be some way for society to utilize it? Truly, our society needs to take the entire idea and use it responsibly. It's too much power for us to just make illegal. Anyone who has not tried it and who is internally strong enough to use it and realize its fullest potential, I apologize from the bottom of my heart that my species has gone and fucked it up for everyone. Damn us, fools.


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