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one of the most baffling movies I've seen
    #8003036 - 02/09/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

space Odyssey 2001
just watched it for the first time and it left me wanting to know more and just an unsettling feeling
seriously can anyone explain it who has seen it? I know the black thing that occurs with the apes, moon, jupiter, and that weird white house at the end is some sort of supreme intelligence and that he goes through some sort of space/time warp towards the end.
but why that weird house and how fast he aged. as well as the fetus next to earth at the end?

bought the book just now so hopefully it will explain more


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: mikeytro]
    #8003117 - 02/09/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the spoiler alert.  I haven't seen it.  :thumbup:
As for baffling movies, David Lynch is where it's at.


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Blend]
    #8003146 - 02/09/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The entire movie is actually backed up by scientific theory and fact. The Black Monolith is what's called Van Noiman Probe (I totally butchered the spelling on that) and the concept behind these is that an advanced civilization sends these out all across the universe and that these probes self-replicate and send out copies all over the universe. I don't remember whether their placements in the universe was planned or random. But anyway when a undeveloped species trips the probe it sets off an alarm that tells the civilization that sent them out that the apes have evolved into an intelligent species. The last couple minutes of the movie are all about the evolution of humanity.

Also, originally Arthur C. Clarke was going to speak at the beginning of the film explaining all this but Kubrick decided it would be a better film if that was left out. Fascinating film and book. Two of the best minds of the 20th century collaborating. Good stuff.


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: mikeytro]
    #8003173 - 02/09/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I cannot explain the story.

Perhaps the story isn't even the point of the movie. I haven't read the book so I can't comment on that.

I once saw 2001 late at night dubbed in Italian (which I don't speak) and suddenly it dawned on me that the story is irrelevant. Just sit back and watch the pretty pictures.

Great music paintings or sculture don't tell a story they just are what they are and they can be enjoyed just by being around them.


But if you want an interpretation, strictly based on imagery, 2001 follows the evolution of the human race and of each individual human through interaction with the logos (symbolised by the mathematically perfect monolith) from inarticulate monkey to scientific ruler of matter to mystical being free of the bodily constraints of space and time (the human is locked out of the space ship and becomes a disembodied mind which finally fuses with pure reason in the trippy end sequence)


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #8003179 - 02/09/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

von Neumann probe*
An interesting idea related to that theory is written in _Just A Couple of Days_ by Tony Vigorito. The idea is that mushrooms would actually make a very sufficient von Neumann probe, since the greatest self-replicating machine that we have today is life itself. The interesting thing about mushrooms is that their spores are so light that they can actually defy gravity and float right off the planet. Also, their shells are so thick that they can survive outer space until they find a planet to land on. And the most interesting thing is that mushrooms will only grow if that planet has life on it. That's something that mushrooms do. They are dependent on life to live. Pretty neat stuff.


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: koppie]
    #8003180 - 02/09/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's not the logos. It's very specifically supposed to be a signpost/beacon/transmitter left behind by an alien species to be discovered by mankind and help them take big evolutionary leaps. That's from the original story hatched by Kubrick and Clarke.


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Blend]
    #8003192 - 02/09/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The interesting thing about mushrooms is that their spores are so light that they can actually defy gravity and float right off the planet. Also, their shells are so thick that they can survive outer space until they find a planet to land on.




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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Redstorm]
    #8003198 - 02/09/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Eh, my only source is the book. I'm not swearing by it by any stretch, I just thought it was an interesting idea worth looking into. Yet I haven't done so. Forgive me?


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: mikeytro]
    #8003234 - 02/09/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

On a side note, the Millennium Hilton Hotel, which the Hilton website states is a tribute to the "monolith" in 2001 A Space Odyssey,
happens to be right next to ground zero where the WTC towers were destroyed in 2001...



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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Middleman]
    #8003274 - 02/10/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thats crazy odd

thanks for those who elaborated on the ideas behind the movie
I haven't been this fascinated with a movie since the release of the matrix
cant wait to read the book


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Middleman]
    #8003293 - 02/10/08 12:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've always thought The 'Monolith' to be badass. But i have yet to encounter a person that appreciates a reference to it.

I feel no need to talk about it though. Doesn't do justice to the work of art.


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Redstorm]
    #8003382 - 02/10/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The interesting thing about mushrooms is that their spores are so light that they can actually defy gravity and float right off the planet. Also, their shells are so thick that they can survive outer space until they find a planet to land on.




Source?





i have heard spores can travel through space from a lot of different places. to find one and link you right now would be a chore.

but i do believe that part to be true.


buuuut this ones kinda interesting:
http://deoxy.org/wiki/Genomics/Panspermia


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: igwna]
    #8003488 - 02/10/08 02:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My Astronomy teacher is a believer in the theory that the human race could have been a "seed" race (through panspermia). However, it's absolutely not possible for spores to leave the gravity of planets. If spores were to leave the surface, it would have to be through some sort of impact (my guess). The prevailing theory is that another intelligent life let the spores loose intentionally, which is much more likely.

Also, I don't think the "spores" to which the theory refers to imply that it is a fungus, the term is meant to describe the encapsulated nature of the "seed."


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Ferris]
    #8003507 - 02/10/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what i linked was about mushroom spores specifically tho.


and i was replyin to someone talking about the mushroom


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Redstorm]
    #8004210 - 02/10/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The interesting thing about mushrooms is that their spores are so light that they can actually defy gravity and float right off the planet. Also, their shells are so thick that they can survive outer space until they find a planet to land on.




Source?


i had this book marked http://www.drugtheory.com/Writings/Fungi%20extraterrestrial%20organism_Terrence_McKenna.htm


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Substance D]
    #8004218 - 02/10/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

anyone see 2010 allso? watch 2001 an then 2010 right afterwards


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Substance D]
    #8004241 - 02/10/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think the ratio is like one out of every million spores is carried out of the earths atmosphere, or something like that...


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #8004296 - 02/10/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

found it in another post:

The spores of mushrooms are made of chitin, the hardest naturally-made substance on Earth. Some scientists suspect that mushroom spores are capable of space travel; a few even believe that some fungi found on Earth originally came from outer space!


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Re: one of the most baffling movies I've seen [Re: igwna]
    #8004416 - 02/10/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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what i linked was about mushroom spores specifically tho.


and i was replyin to someone talking about the mushroom


thanks for that link after reading this {I couldn't figure out whether the mushroom is the alien or the mushroom is some kind of technological artifact allowing me to hear the alien when the alien is actually light-years aways, using some kind of Bell nonlocality principle to communicate.} i know why when i trip i always feel as if some higher power was trying to reach from the skys through the shrooms.i once stuck a shroom in my ear cause i thought i could hear them better.


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