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What can I expect from first time with mesc?
    #8002989 - 02/09/08 10:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I may be getting my hands on some mescaline soon. Bieng that I am experienced with things like LSD, mushrooms, Salvia, LSA, MDA and some 2C's and DO*s, and all give me vastly differing experiences, what can I expect from mescaline?

I am very visual and usually experience much more detail and beauty than my fellow trippers do with nearly any psychedelic (oppisite with dissociatives), especially mushrooms. I've been told mescaline is mild, even when compared to psilocybin, but some say it's similar to 2C-B, which in that case for me wouldn't be at all mild.

Anyone with enough experience with all of these and mesc to give me a sort of synopsis before going in?


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003027 - 02/09/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A better question would have been; What's the first thing that comes to mind when you think about what makes mescaline distinct from say LSD or mushrooms?


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003054 - 02/09/08 10:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

mescaline get's fucking weird and intense at times. it comes in waves of intensity.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003055 - 02/09/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sort of like the 2C's and DOX's but different in a hard to define way. It's definitely gentler than mushrooms in that you have more control over it, at not too high doses anyway. It's quite dreamy, euphoric and energising. Eh i can't really describe it, i like it though! It's very different to all the ones you listed but closest to the 2C's and DOX's, and sometimes as euphoric as MDA.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003056 - 02/09/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

make sure you get the real thing. a dose of pure mescaline sulphate will be at least two large gel caps full. don't let anybody tell you otherwise. i'd just make some stew out of san pedros though, they work really well, especially if you freeze them first and you know what you're getting. it takes about 8 hours to cook it up though and is extremely bitter. also, with the cacti you get other phenathylamines too that affect you differently, like orgasmic waves flowing through your body. expect it to come on slowly and last about ten hours or so and then come down really slowly. you may vomit. i get this certain visual with cacti that is like a technology of some sort that as it rotates it cuts its way into my soul and fuses itself with me. it even has some sort of logo that i can never remember. in my opinion, pure mescaline is inferior to cacti. good luck.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: azurite]
    #8003106 - 02/09/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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make sure you get the real thing. a dose of pure mescaline sulphate will be at least two large gel caps full. don't let anybody tell you otherwise. i'd just make some stew out of san pedros though, they work really well, especially if you freeze them first and you know what you're getting. it takes about 8 hours to cook it up though and is extremely bitter. also, with the cacti you get other phenathylamines too that affect you differently, like orgasmic waves flowing through your body. expect it to come on slowly and last about ten hours or so and then come down really slowly. you may vomit. i get this certain visual with cacti that is like a technology of some sort that as it rotates it cuts its way into my soul and fuses itself with me. it even has some sort of logo that i can never remember. in my opinion, pure mescaline is inferior to cacti. good luck.




I trust the person I'm getting the mesc from. Also, I wouldn't even know where to start looking for San Pedro, although I'm sure they have them at nurseries around here... I wouldn't want to be ordering plant matter over the internet.

I've heard that San Pedro is way too expensive, and good for only a novelty trip, just to say you did. Please prove me wrong because I am very interested in the natural cacti methods and such.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003119 - 02/09/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Mescaline climbs higher...

...and higher...

...and higher...

until you're flying!!!

It's amazing. I find it a very gentle psychedelic, yet still intense at moments. The body sensations are fucking incredible. The mental states are lucid, yet surreal.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003139 - 02/09/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would never trust anything to be mescaline unless I saw the person's operation. I don't think many people understand how rare pure mescaline is. The only people that eat it are the ones who extract it and a few of their close friends. And as far as San Pedro goes, it is very inexpensive and easy to find on the net. You can expect to pay as much for a dose as you would for mushrooms. I find the mescaline experience to be the most healing of all the entheogens, especially when consumed in tea because of the discipline it requires to ingest.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8003155 - 02/09/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, i started most of my trichocereus species from seed eight years ago and they are just now starting to reach maturity. i only consume the trimming material when i make new cuttings. i do have around a hundred plants though that'll be for sale this year from my organic farm when i make cuttings again. it would cost about thirty bucks for a trip or you could do what i did and have a never ending supply after a few years. you need a good greenhouse though. so yes, it's sort of a novelty unless you make them a part of your day to day work.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: iBruiseBlue]
    #8003157 - 02/09/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I would never trust anything to be mescaline unless I saw the person's operation. I don't think many people understand how rare pure mescaline is. The only people that eat it are the ones who extract it and a few of their close friends. And as far as San Pedro goes, it is very inexpensive and easy to find on the net. You can expect to pay as much for a dose as you would for mushrooms. I find the mescaline experience to be the most healing of all the entheogens, especially when consumed in tea because of the discipline it requires to ingest.





I can relate with the discipline idea...the LSA's in HBWR seem to require the same


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: azurite]
    #8003209 - 02/09/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what kind of trichocerous cactus? i'd like to buy one, but what guarantee do i have i'll get it, can i get a reciept? also...

it, to me is really hard to describe mescaline, it's also been awhile since i've taken it, it's definately different from lsd and shrooms, not too different, really similar, definately has a different fuckin high, get something different out of it. Try to imagine taking enough shrooms to get really high, taking enough acid to get really high, now imagine taking both, but for 2 or 3 days, that's the best way i could describe imagining what that'd be like, pretty similar.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: imachavel]
    #8003287 - 02/10/08 12:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i am a business. i sell mostly berries to local natural food stores and at the eugene saturday farmers market. i have a receipt book but no website yet. i've never shipped via mail or ups but i most likely will soon. i'm in oregon near eugene. where are you? i have 5 species to choose from(pachanoi,peruvianus,bridgesii,terscheckii,and werdermanianus) and many varieties of each species. probably no hook ups allowed here. pm me if you want. i think that would be ok with the moderators. not sure though.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: azurite]
    #8003312 - 02/10/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh yeah, legally i can only sell them for ornamental use. they are certified organic though.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: azurite]
    #8007221 - 02/11/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Literally certified organic? Like Oregon tilth certified?


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: BoulderBoomer]
    #8007423 - 02/11/08 01:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i would say its really its own thing but suggest after trying it to combined it with mushrooms and lsd and other stuff its great a good way to straight strenghten your trip with out adding much in lines of extra non cactus effects is passion flower. if your up for more effects then cappi, mushrooms,virdis,chaliponga,datura and ect but only as a healing tool or you can get burned pretty bad including death


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8007749 - 02/11/08 06:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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make sure you get the real thing. a dose of pure mescaline sulphate will be at least two large gel caps full. don't let anybody tell you otherwise. i'd just make some stew out of san pedros though, they work really well, especially if you freeze them first and you know what you're getting. it takes about 8 hours to cook it up though and is extremely bitter. also, with the cacti you get other phenathylamines too that affect you differently, like orgasmic waves flowing through your body. expect it to come on slowly and last about ten hours or so and then come down really slowly. you may vomit. i get this certain visual with cacti that is like a technology of some sort that as it rotates it cuts its way into my soul and fuses itself with me. it even has some sort of logo that i can never remember. in my opinion, pure mescaline is inferior to cacti. good luck.




I trust the person I'm getting the mesc from. Also, I wouldn't even know where to start looking for San Pedro, although I'm sure they have them at nurseries around here... I wouldn't want to be ordering plant matter over the internet.

I've heard that San Pedro is way too expensive, and good for only a novelty trip, just to say you did. Please prove me wrong because I am very interested in the natural cacti methods and such.




you can definatly get more from san pedro that merely a novel trip.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: THEBats]
    #8008031 - 02/11/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

when is a trip not novel?


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: thedudenj]
    #8010629 - 02/11/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yes, i'm certified by oregon tilth.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: THEBats]
    #8013219 - 02/12/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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make sure you get the real thing. a dose of pure mescaline sulphate will be at least two large gel caps full. don't let anybody tell you otherwise. i'd just make some stew out of san pedros though, they work really well, especially if you freeze them first and you know what you're getting. it takes about 8 hours to cook it up though and is extremely bitter. also, with the cacti you get other phenathylamines too that affect you differently, like orgasmic waves flowing through your body. expect it to come on slowly and last about ten hours or so and then come down really slowly. you may vomit. i get this certain visual with cacti that is like a technology of some sort that as it rotates it cuts its way into my soul and fuses itself with me. it even has some sort of logo that i can never remember. in my opinion, pure mescaline is inferior to cacti. good luck.




I trust the person I'm getting the mesc from. Also, I wouldn't even know where to start looking for San Pedro, although I'm sure they have them at nurseries around here... I wouldn't want to be ordering plant matter over the internet.

I've heard that San Pedro is way too expensive, and good for only a novelty trip, just to say you did. Please prove me wrong because I am very interested in the natural cacti methods and such.




you can definatly get more from san pedro that merely a novel trip.




What I mean by "novelty" is that the lengths one would have to go to to obtain said cacti and extract its alkaloids would present such a challenge that it would be merely for the experience rather than something done on a regular basis or as a ritual/hobby, what have you.

I was told that they sell Peruvian Torch cacti at Home Depots around here, but even if this were true, I don't want to spend the money, go through the 5 hours of boiling, and then have to stomach the stuff if I'm not absolutely 100% sure it will be worth all the trouble.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8013241 - 02/12/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

From the right vendor you can get a 2' pedro in a pot(w/ roots) for $45 to your front door. 

That is with delivery.

That is nothing for how amazing mescaline is :thumbup:

You can cut this down to 4 inches and let it keep growing in a south facing window.  Make a stew out of the rest and it will be a GREAT trip for one person.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: SaintDunsmere]
    #8013283 - 02/12/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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From the right vendor you can get a 2' pedro in a pot(w/ roots) for $45 to your front door. 

That is with delivery.

That is nothing for how amazing mescaline is :thumbup:

You can cut this down to 4 inches and let it keep growing in a south facing window.  Make a stew out of the rest and it will be a GREAT trip for one person.




Wow, that's alot of cactus to stew. How much of the stew would I be required to ingest?


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8014035 - 02/12/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You could leave more than 4"s in the pot to grow... say you left a good 12" section... you could still consume a good foot... and that is more than enough for threshold effects(from what I've read... i'm still pretty new to mescaline)

I have only taken mescaline once... it was only 11"s and it was amazing.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: SaintDunsmere]
    #8014090 - 02/12/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you're working with pure mescal: Pure insanity. There's nothing to compare it to at ALL, it's one of the most unique experiences in the world. For me, pure mescal is always incredibly different than say peyote or san pedro.

With peyote, it's a much more zany experience, and a lot less crazy. It's more cerebral, so you're more likely to have a more personal experience with it.

On the other hand, I'm told I trip VERY different than most people with mescaline. Every experience is different, so don't try to expect how yours will be. Just stay as chilled out as you can, and trip with some good friends.

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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: twoism]
    #8015819 - 02/13/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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If you're working with pure mescal: Pure insanity. There's nothing to compare it to at ALL, it's one of the most unique experiences in the world. For me, pure mescal is always incredibly different than say peyote or san pedro.

With peyote, it's a much more zany experience, and a lot less crazy. It's more cerebral, so you're more likely to have a more personal experience with it.

On the other hand, I'm told I trip VERY different than most people with mescaline. Every experience is different, so don't try to expect how yours will be. Just stay as chilled out as you can, and trip with some good friends.

Good luck with it man.




Thanks. I believe it will be pure mescaline in capsule form from what I was told, but then again, the guys just told me that there is a hang up and either it will arrive, or a shipment of 2C-B will arrive in its place. Not that I have anything against 2C-B, in fact I LOVE it, but it would be a bit of a disapointment since I am so eager to try something new.

If it turns out that this guy can't come through, at this point I'm interested enough to get my hands on some cacti and do it myself.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8016075 - 02/13/08 12:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks. I believe it will be pure mescaline in capsule form from what I was told, but then again, the guys just told me that there is a hang up and either it will arrive, or a shipment of 2C-B





its unlikely that it's mescaline, you just don't see it being sold by dealers. .unless you know someone extracting it there is no way to know for sure. they will probably try to sell you 2c-b as mescaline. make sure you have a powder that is at least 400-500 mgs, thats probably mescaline. if its a small amount like 30 or 60, its 2c-b.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8016165 - 02/13/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks. I believe it will be pure mescaline in capsule form from what I was told, but then again, the guys just told me that there is a hang up and either it will arrive, or a shipment of 2C-B





its unlikely that it's mescaline, you just don't see it being sold by dealers. .unless you know someone extracting it there is no way to know for sure. they will probably try to sell you 2c-b as mescaline. make sure you have a powder that is at least 400-500 mgs, thats probably mescaline. if its a small amount like 30 or 60, its 2c-b.




The guy I'm getting it from is very knowledgeable and one of my best friends. He knows I wouldn't mind if all he could get was 2C-B, and he's found me all kinds of RC's before. When he's gotten 2C-B in the past, its been in a white tablet form with either a B or a heart pressed and two of those babies was enough to set me straight. I'd say the tablets were 200mg tablets, containing no more than 30-35mg of the stuff, so yea, I know how potent it is when compared to the 300-500mgs you would need of mescaline for a threshold dose.

The reason I was so excited is because if he tells me he has mescaline, he has mescaline, in fact, he even told me I would have to dose with about 6 of these capsules to reach about a level 3 (which is what I normally aim for), didn't specify the mg's yet. He has a personal vendetta against people selling RC's or what have you as "acid", he had a bad experience himself about 5 years ago involving some DOB sold to him as acid, so as knowledgeable as he is and as close a friend he is to me, I trust him. I just really hope he can get the stuff.


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8016435 - 02/13/08 07:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

People are acting like pure mescaline is like this super-rare item, but honestly it's not that hard to extract the pure powder from the cactus and I've encountered other people in life who extract it.  Mescaline is around. 

Enjoy yourself.  :heart:


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Re: What can I expect from first time with mesc? [Re: MOTH]
    #8016729 - 02/13/08 09:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i know, but people extracting it usually just share between themselves and their friends. it doesn't usually pass into the hands of a 3rd or 4th party. i have never seen mescaline being sold in pure form. ive seen people offering cactus tea, and dried torch chips at festivals but never pure mescaline.im not saying it doesn't exist or is too rare to be found, but its pretty unlikely in the majority of places. to me, fucking with xylene and all that stuff seems like overkill, i just do an alcohol extract for hella cheap. a kilo of torch for $210 will set anyone straight for a very long time, extract as much mesc as you want.


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