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Reality is subjective
    #8002610 - 02/09/08 09:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, Geez! I see we have 'another one' here. Reality is objective; interpretation is subjective. End-of-story.

To date not one single 'reality is subjective' believer will take 'The Shmoopy Rock-to-the-back-of-the-head Challenge'. Why not? Because they don't really believe what they claim.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8002618 - 02/09/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You mean we all live in THE SAME reality? :eek:
Bad news breaker :sad:


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8002637 - 02/09/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Argument relies on the assumption that objectivity exists.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8002638 - 02/09/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Reality is fucking mind boggeling


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8002643 - 02/09/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have a nice hefty rock. Are you volunteering the back of your head as a test case or merely jabbering?


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8002664 - 02/09/08 09:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Argument relies on the assumption that objectivity exists.




You can't have subjective without objective.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8002686 - 02/09/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That is like chips without salsa. :yesnod:


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8002724 - 02/09/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Or popcorn without butter :popcorn:


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8003993 - 02/10/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

reality is all-encompassing. reality is not just this or that, it is all and everything.

one can experience subjective reality without interpreting it.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8004081 - 02/10/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All reality is interpretive. There is no true objectivity, just agreements we make.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8004093 - 02/10/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Right o


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8004133 - 02/10/08 10:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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All reality is interpretive. There is no true objectivity, just agreements we make.




So if a large enough group of people no longer agree that electricity is 'real' then all of our appliances will stop working?


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8004170 - 02/10/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just because an individual, or a whole species for that matter can never know 'true' reality doesnt make it interpretive. Whatever true reality is it will be their even if there is no consciousness to interpret it. Why? Because thats the definition of reality. Reality is that which exists outside of conscious interpretation.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: DieCommie]
    #8004192 - 02/10/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you, DC.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Icelander]
    #8004201 - 02/10/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Right o




I wish I had a side-kick to back me up. :frown:


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8004367 - 02/10/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe Reality to be equally subjective and objective.

Your rock to the back of the head is objective.

How music makes you feel is subjective.

Feelings cannot be quantified, thus making them not real.

Right?

Do you think something can exist with the ONLY following quality: The quality of not being quantifiable.


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: DieCommie]
    #8004378 - 02/10/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Reality is that which exists outside of conscious interpretation.

it is your perception that reality is objective. perception is subjective. we view objective reality through our subjective reality.

and do we have to interpret reality, can we not just observe it?


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: deranger]
    #8004387 - 02/10/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:

On a side note though: I don't think you can truly "observe reality" merely because observing is a form of participation itself; I.E. there are only participants. Eh?

EDIT: UNLESS observing was to be synonomus with experienceing, then Touche, sir!


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Edited by Apollyphelion (02/10/08 12:09 PM)


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8004396 - 02/10/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Right o




I wish I had a side-kick to back me up. :frown:




Swami rides alone, in need of no one. He stands supreme, cool, calm, self assured.

It may be your breath.:shrug:


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Edited by Icelander (02/10/08 12:12 PM)


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Re: Reality is subjective [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8004400 - 02/10/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Apollyphelion said:EDIT: UNLESS observing was to be synonomus with experienceing, then Touche, sir!




that's what i was leaning for :laugh:


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