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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: On Nothingness [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8022117 - 02/14/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:grin:well i still see nothing as something non existant and what you speak of as something that is very real and is exactly what you described i think we should have a better word for that then nothingness cause its description is far off from what it appears tho that does give it a bit of alure calling it nothing but everything lol. I really could never consider that nothing but might say nothing so people are alured tho.

i think its more so endless possibility or potential. PE(potential energy) vs KE(kenetic energy) going back to middle school physics.

yeah... so im sticking with nothing is something entirely differnt that doesnt really exisit only in thought which does in it self make it something, which then leads to the path you chose for it. my question is why does nothing have to be pitch black like in that card ? why not totally white. why is there this darkness as an expression of nothing. Why not a clean sheet so to say. or maybe its the transfromation of that into the white sheet that leads to mad colors and shit.
so in other words im really calling you out on this one  :olympics:
think this kinda stuff helps other people get an understanding of each of ours and helps them form their own but thats just my
:2cents:  :psychsplit:


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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InvisibleAlteredAgain
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Re: On Nothingness [Re: thedudenj]
    #8022157 - 02/14/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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thedudenj said:
my question is why does nothing have to be pitch black like in that card ? why not totally white. why is there this darkness as an expression of nothing. Why not a clean sheet so to say. or maybe its the transfromation of that into the white sheet that leads to mad colors and shit.




Not sure what the artist was thinking.. But I wouldn't see it making any difference if the card was white. In absolute form black and white are both the same. :smile:

Because how would you tell white from black if you had nothing to compare it to?

In complete darkness all is bright.
In complete brightness all is dark.
It's a sweet paradox I think. :sun:


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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: On Nothingness [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8022195 - 02/14/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:grin: good answer:grin:


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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Re: On Nothingness [Re: thedudenj]
    #8022216 - 02/14/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's funny when I'm laying in bed at night during a new moon and I notice my room turning into complete darkness. At times I can manage to focus my eyes in a certain way that allows me to see a flash of this paradox. For a moment I am surrounded by this white infinite space until my rational mind tells me that there is no light source in the room which pulls me back into the black field of vision. I might have to try this on mushrooms sometime.


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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: On Nothingness [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8022311 - 02/14/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh yeah man i do that to you kinda gota un focus and lay still and dive into the complete light. one of the best things for doing that is DXM/O. cause this dissociative properties, it makes it so much easier to let go of everything else. doing it on mushrooms is a bit different tho and sometimes on dxm too. when you get more advanced you can astral project and hold normal vision as well as other worldly vision, on separate Fields of vision. Its the the principals of open eye meditation. with the kinda energy i use i only kinda sample skills and pick up ones here and there and i master them but they are only temporary when i get that energy again tho from someone else i can use the skill no problem. i also teach people how to get to the level at their own skill that i do if they arnt there already. its a neat job in life.

with my tea circle tho its more then tea and kinda more then a circle if anyone does magic everyone feels it and they have a choice to join or ignore it. which is cool cause you get alot of random trips at random hours. and things can get very synced at times, i could tell someone something happened to me then the next they it happen to them. I guess its unifying vibes and im assuming 2012 will cause a rise of this its basic novelty. i think 2012 is gona happen like that cause all the hype about it and people like me doing what im doing and laying that ground as its been said would happen. for something to ever truly happen theres obviously the things that lead up to it, no matter how random and seemingly not coincidental but from there you must look at what a true coincidence is to coincide
To occupy the same relative position or the same area in space.
To happen at the same time or during the same period.
To correspond exactly; be identical.
To agree exactly, as in opinion; concur.

and of course coincidence tho i like to think co in (cid) dance or something. puns lol
A sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged.
tee hee kinda like sex sometimes you end up in bed with a girl totally unplanned and other times it takes alot of planning, in other words "the river flows, flows to the sea and thats the way it had to be." from ballad of easy rider lol. its a great example two friends made that movie and smoked real pot in the filming it really questions whats real and whats acting in it. Its great when friends make low budget movies of the stuff we talk about on here.

the other night i couldnt tell if my friend was just fucking with me or not and neither could his girl friend it was so mad. so much mind fucking. on a harsher note a friend of mine was ready to kill himself over a similar matter where i appeared to him as an eastern diety come to kill him cause he was a demon. this fellow was plauged by a demon and i killed it. tho he revived it cause he couldnt live with out wanting to have that demon be him and part of him. in other words he couldnt come to terms with him self it was really rought and i hope somewhere down the road he realizes the significance of our jounrnies he was on a dark downward spiral and atleast hes out of the dark and also going upward now its just that hes so deep in. yeah lol medicine man talk.

any who well thats not exactly the lyric btw but the whole song has that kinda point to it.

and i guess another example of the whole time wave zero thing is the internet as we are this huge one being made of many small ones interaction like cells in a body, we just dont communicate in the same fashion and the reason for that is so there can be all the emotions and meaning to all this life.
The river flows
It flows to the sea
Wherever that river goes
That's where I want to be
Flow river flow
Let your waters wash down
Take me from this road
To some other town

All he wanted
Was to be free
And that's the way
It turned out to be
Flow river flow
Let your waters wash down
Take me from this road
To some other town

Flow river flow
Past the shaded tree
Go river, go
Go to the sea
Flow to the sea

The river flows
It flows to the sea
Wherever that river goes
That's where I want to be
Flow river flow
Let your waters wash down
Take me from this road
To some other town


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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Re: On Nothingness [Re: thedudenj]
    #8022515 - 02/14/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have some deep intuitions about the things you speak of but you did touch on so many points at once that I don't quite know where to begin now. :grin:

There is a fascination that I share about experiencing synchronistic connections between individuals in a group network such as your tea circle. I myself have only felt magic spontaneously between one person, sometimes two others, but never have I experienced the possibilities of a group ceremony. Maybe I didn't have the chance, perhaps my heart hasn't seeked it out. But if you get one together next time around, let me know and I'll come join because I'd like to see the action with my own eyes. :smile:

2012012012012012012012012012, if anything, I'm quite sure that this networking of minds is the metaphor for this time. At times I think people will try to grasp it as if they got to use their hands, but it slips away because the reminder is that the central tool for this is not our limbs.. not our body, but our minds: language, thought, and frequency of awareness. It's about tuning in and recognizing common subjectivity with others.

My 2 cents for now. I'm not in the mood to dig any deeper at the moment. :sun:


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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: On Nothingness [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8022551 - 02/14/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oh its ok man i hear you on that sometimes tho lol. yeah i tend to touch a bit of a few things as yage man said my writing is kinda collective you gota pick up pieces here and there and slowly or quickly it will form something else but really its the same thing. Fred alan wolf said that to understand and get the effect of a shaman you need to sorta hang out with me and you just pick it up.(in shamanic physics you can look it up but no longer on youtube) he also spoke in what the bleep about the double slip experiment. i kinda like that guy hes funny, tho im a medicine man theres a differance not much tho more so location and what sacraments.


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