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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: robbyberto]
    #8004220 - 02/10/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I have encouraged him in several of my posts, but why does everyone here have to coddle his idealistic bullshit?





What's so idealistic about it that makes it bullshit? Look at yourself, you're hating on someone who wants to live in the nature that Mother Earth laid out for us, the nature that YOUR ancestors came from.

If you think it's such bullshit, then why have you encouraged him? I doubt that there were any pure reasons behind that decision. That's probably the type of thing he wants to escape; the fact that not everybody gets along and all people seem to do for each other is hold each other back and talk behind each others' backs.



My advice would be that retreating away from society should be a last resort. You might die, unless you've practiced certain things that can help you, and there are many wonderful, if not at least interesting aspects of living in this society that you've not experienced, and may be worth while. Leaving would mean you're leaving your family, friends, ego; think about it.

How old are you?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: niteowl]
    #8004517 - 02/10/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Even if he does go "into the wild", it will only be for a few days, a week tops.
How is that going to change anything?
It won't.
At best he will understand why we have built our society this way....it is easier than trying to go it alone.




Thank you Mister Wizard with your mystical future-telling abilities. Please look into my future and let me know what it holds as well. Have you been elected to public office yet? With your fount of knowledge of what people will or will not learn from their experiences, I'm sure a lot could happen with you leading us.

This experience could teach a lot, either way. Even if you only lasted a few days the first time out, you get an idea of what you need to do differently the next time.

So many of you are talking shit, saying it can't be done, but if you read up a few posts, theres a guy who used to do it for a month every summer. It can be done.


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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: DragonChaser]
    #8004565 - 02/10/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Never said that it couldn't be done, mate, just that it isn't likely to happen. And even if it does happen, it won't change anything, people in third world nations will still be starving.

The only change will be in his mind.


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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: niteowl]
    #8004765 - 02/10/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't that where the change needs to begin though?

At least he won't be driving around using gas, or using cheap throw-away Chinese sweat-shop made items...
If everyone in our cheap material driven country (US) went without processed food, or using gas, or electricity for one month every year, or every couple years, or at least once in their lifetime, it would make a difference. If not through the direct effects of being one less consumer for that month, then definitely through the effects of learning how precious everything we have is.

Once we learn how to have nothing, then we can really learn how to value everything we have, and not to waste, or to consume more than we actually need.
If we really had to work for our food (hunt or gather), and could learn to value it, instead of just going through a drivethrough or stopping at the supermarket on our way home, maybe our nation wouldn't be so damn gluttonous and wasteful.
Just my thoughts.


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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: DragonChaser]
    #8005223 - 02/10/08 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Isn't that where the change needs to begin though?

At least he won't be driving around using gas, or using cheap throw-away Chinese sweat-shop made items...
If everyone in our cheap material driven country (US) went without processed food, or using gas, or electricity for one month every year, or every couple years, or at least once in their lifetime, it would make a difference.  If not through the direct effects of being one less consumer for that month, then definitely through the effects of learning how precious everything we have is.

Once we learn how to have nothing, then we can really learn how to value everything we have, and not to waste, or to consume more than we actually need.
If we really had to work for our food (hunt or gather), and could learn to value it, instead of just going through a drivethrough or stopping at the supermarket on our way home, maybe our nation wouldn't be so damn gluttonous and wasteful.
Just my thoughts.






Chase on, man! :headbanger:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: Poid]
    #8017227 - 02/13/08 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Posted by Shroom Empire in the news feed... thought it was relevant.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8017112

Rainbow Family warned to leave Forest campsite

BY JOE VANHOOSE
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OCALA NATIONAL FOREST - Hundreds of Rainbow Family members started gathering deep inside the Ocala National Forest last week. Many who found their way down Paisley Road to a sandy path around a little spot called Duck Pond - some 10 miles south of State Road 40 - might have seen a notice posted high on a pine tree.

"This is an ILLEGAL gathering of 75 persons or more without a permit," the notice put up by the U.S. Forest Service reads. "The max penalty is six months in prison and/or a $5,000 fine."

But Monday came and went, and the Rainbow Family remained, determined not to give up the government land they settled on.

"We've met here for 13 years, and now they're treating us like criminals," said a woman who identified herself by her Rainbow name, Indigo. She was keeping an eye out for any Forest Service Law Enforcement vehicles Monday afternoon.

Sure enough, three Forest Service sport utility vehicles pulled down the path around 2 p.m.

"Six-point-o rolling through the Rainbow land," she yelled out to alert her brethren.

A SIMPLER LIFE
The Rainbow Family claims to be the largest non-organization of non-members in the world. Walking the pine-covered paths in the Ocala National Forest, the claim seems to be true. Old vans and cars with license plates from California and Ohio park next to a makeshift tent shading Carolinians and Virginians from the sun.

Senior citizens, college students and families sit around the same drum circle, building fires and playing guitars. Even infants and young children are here.

Why?
"A lot of people are here for spiritual growth," said the Rev. James William Middlestadt, who started a chapter of Loving Light Ministries. "We come together to gain enlightenment."

"We're here to live simply, that's all," Loki said. "We want to be without the complexities of Babylon."

Complex their lives are not. Aside from drum beats and guitar strumming, silence surrounds the three-mile stretch of makeshift settlement that weaves its way through woods and meadows. There isn't a power line, strip of asphalt or alarm clock to be found.

The hippie-like group that professes love, the earth and mellow vibes, has at times run afoul of the law. Last year, a man was badly beaten at a campsite by a man known only as "Buddha." Arrests, sometimes on a large scale, have included charges involving drugs, nudity and traffic offenses, including driving under the influence.

The family communicates via walkie-talkies and exchanging shouts, but everyone seems to know what is happening from one end to the other - especially when law enforcement officers show up.

ILLEGAL GATHERING
Many in the Rainbow Family have no plans of leaving Duck Pond, even if they get ticketed upward of $250 a day. A couple dozen in the family already have been ticketed for assembling illegally this week.

"As of right now, this is an illegal gathering," Forest Service Officer James Watson said to the group, many of whom answered with a chorus of "We love you." "If you are here when we come back, we will be issuing tickets."

Pat Tooley, the special uses administrator for the Forest Services, said a member of the Rainbow Family filed an application for a permit Monday morning. She drove the second Forest Service SUV as Rainbow Family members crowded around looking for an explanation.

"It's regulatory that a group of 75 or more requires a permit," Tooley said. "We have to make sure the land here does not get overused.

"That applies to anyone who comes into the National Forest. We will review the area for resource issues, but we have five areas designated for big groups. This isn't one of them."

Many in the Rainbow Family questioned officers on where the regulations and rules were posted.

"It's your responsibility to find out what's legal and what the rules are," Watson answered. "We have all the rules posted in our offices."

After Tooley left, Forest Service officers came back to inform everyone that they had been approved to assemble at Syracuse Island, about 20 miles north. All Rainbow Family members must leave Duck Pond by 4 p.m. today and make the pilgrimage to the new location.

That news and the officers were met with harmonizing choruses of John Lennon and Bob Marley songs. About 50 members banded together on fallen trees around the Forest Services vehicles, raising their connected hands high as they sang about peace and love.

"I have the constitutional right to assemble," said Juniper, who added this was her first gathering. "That's why I'm still here.

"They can write us tickets, but we don't need to leave. This is our home."


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