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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7998063 - 02/08/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I too have had great dreams of freedom, about reverting back to the wild. It all started when I was about 16, my cousin and I were talking to each other on AIM at like 1 in the morning and we had an hours-long discussion of this fantasy of living in the wild. We devised several shelter designs- underground chambers, tree houses...
And we concluded that aside from hunting deer and the like (bow and arrow, bitch... I'd certainly bring a modern compound bow with me. That would last my whole life. They're made to.) we would fish.
Fishing is the answer to the food question. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. And I've done plenty of fishing in my life by this point.. including the good ol' fashioned way of cane poles and catching grasshoppers 
I decided that the best thing to do would be to find a stretch of land that possessed a few thriving lakes some miles apart, and travel in between them all throughout the year. I've yet to decide the best place to go for such an idea, but my first thought is the fucking Yukon.
Of course, before this beautiful transition could take place, I will have learned how to preserve meat and make leather, among other basic and essential survival techniques. Including basic blacksmithing.
Virtually all of this could be learned via the internet - of course, one shouldn't go on this alone, and shouldn't dismiss the value of experience. You'd want to have practiced and honed these things to an art before depending on them to save your life.
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i don't think any of the people in the documentary panned out good except for one man who left civilization with his wife.
That's exactly what I want to do. We have a son - so I would wait for him to be of age, so that he could make his own decision about coming with us and if he did, he'd be a great asset to our little pack.
Going alone is just not a good idea. Not fun.. and not as safe. Especially when it comes to dealing with packs of wolves and such.
I would love nothing more than to go off into the wilderness with my family.
Edited by manyc (02/08/08 09:07 PM)
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: manyc]
#7998579 - 02/08/08 11:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bastard, I'm with you. Don't let some of these cats talk you out of it. I've dreamed of doing it for years, and this summer I'm going to go out into the wilderness somewhere, a couple states west of mine, and I'm going to bring some fishing line and hooks, a pot, firestarting tools, a knife and maybe one or two other things. Dried food too, to last me about a week or so. I've made bows before, so I'm pretty sure I could fashion one to take out small game. I'm planning on going out for a couple weeks and trying this. Good luck to you if you decide to do it.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: DragonChaser]
#7999080 - 02/09/08 03:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some guy who is currently living out of a tent was posting in the mushroom hunting forum not to long ago.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: appleorange]
#7999100 - 02/09/08 03:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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actually, come to think about it, my psychology class showed a documentary about individuals doing this exact same thing a couple semesters back. i'd forgotten all about that, i wish I could remember the name.
one man gave up on it after 2 years because he noticed that he was talking to himself. one guy was bat shit crazy to begin with and another was able to maintain his sanity by talking to one of those alaskan pilots who visited him once a week. i don't think any of the people in the documentary panned out good except for one man who left civilization with his wife. he was pretty ok.
I think the documentary you are talking about is called "Braving Alaska". It's a very good documentary, I watched it on youtube a while back and tried finding it to post it here but it was removed. But if anyone comes across it I suggest you watch it, it gives you a pretty good idea of what wilderness survival is like.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
#7999162 - 02/09/08 05:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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get some good boots first.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: druqs]
#7999243 - 02/09/08 06:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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fuck moving into the wilderness just take a trip into india and the tebetian region and at least learn a bit aboyut yourself and the world . forget about the injustices althought they are horrible . but you as an individual you cant really do much about it. allyou cam realy do in tis life is try to become closer to godf
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: awesomebastard]
#7999280 - 02/09/08 07:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you won't do it, we've got you hooked on materialism.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
#7999288 - 02/09/08 07:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Make a community
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: AroundtheSon]
#7999290 - 02/09/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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AroundtheSon said: you won't do it, we've got you hooked on materialism.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: awesomebastard]
#7999427 - 02/09/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I find it funny that you say im full of myself because i feel guilty about the suffering of people who work in sweat shops etc that we all support.
have you ever been in the heart of the third world. seen the poorest of the poor.
Youre an idiot.
what good will you be doing those people if you're alone somewhere in the wilderness? and have you ever spent a night alone in the mountains somewhere? all the research in the world won't prepare you if you have no experience. and honestly i think you misinterpret a lot of thoreau if you think he'd encourage this sort of thing. he had some good writings on solitude and simplicity, but he was a wuss. wilderness scared the shit out of him. he couldn't bear to be away from the comforts of society for more than a few hours at a time. if you really want some good inspiration, read 'one man's wilderness' by richard proeneke. i think this romantic notion of going into the wild on your own is ridiculous. you have to be realistic. there's no "higher power" that will help you survive or guide you to some great revelation about life. i'm not saying there's no spiritual relevance to nature...quite contrary, i've found a lot of fulfillment on days and nights spent in the mountains, away from noise and people, existing with the earth, untouched by humans.. it is very enlightening. but when you start to realize that all things are connected, you also realize you are already part of the "something" you are searching for. it is already in YOU. it is selfish and naive to think nature will just give you something you already have. nature is completely indifferent to your survival. there's no reason to be selfish and stupid, putting your life at risk and worrying the hell out of your family. learn what you are doing, take short backpacking trips, 1 or 2 nights at a time, with a friend, and then see how you feel about the "great outdoors". to quote a great book about a kid you might end up having a lot in common with: happiness is only real when shared.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: LayYouIn]
#7999460 - 02/09/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LayYouIn said: by no means would i just go into the woods and lay down. i would eat shrubs and look for shelter/build shelter...but i would hope that a higher power would guild me in doing so, so that i wouldn't end up eating the wrong thing and dying.
how egotistical are you? what "higher power" would have the agenda of keeping you alive, unprepared, in a wild country based on survival of the fittest? i hate to burst your bubble, but nature really doesn't care if you stay alive or not. if you truly wish to be enlightened, stop thinking of yourself as something special. the reality is, you may find enlightenment in the solitude of nature, but if you don't know how to build a proper shelter or find plants that are edible, you will poison yourself or die of hypothermia within a matter of days. any higher power sees no difference between itself or you or the birds that would pick at your bones or the soil that would decompose your body.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: Hendostan]
#7999477 - 02/09/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LayYouIn said: by no means would i just go into the woods and lay down. i would eat shrubs and look for shelter/build shelter...but i would hope that a higher power would guild me in doing so, so that i wouldn't end up eating the wrong thing and dying.
how egotistical are you? what "higher power" would have the agenda of keeping you alive, unprepared, in a wild country based on survival of the fittest? i hate to burst your bubble, but nature really doesn't care if you stay alive or not. if you truly wish to be enlightened, stop thinking of yourself as something special. the reality is, you may find enlightenment in the solitude of nature, but if you don't know how to build a proper shelter or find plants that are edible, you will poison yourself or die of hypothermia within a matter of days. any higher power sees no difference between itself or you or the birds that would pick at your bones or the soil that would decompose your body.

Well said
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: niteowl]
#7999682 - 02/09/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Every body needs to calm down and stop being so pessimistic. If the guy wants to do it, how about offer some survival tips, instead of just being douche bags saying "you wont do it, you cant do it, youre full of shit" and finding other reasons to berate the idea? I'm going to fucking do it this summer, and I hope Bastard gives it a shot somewhere too. Just because you cant do it, doesn't mean we suck as much balls as you. I'm sure either one of us could pull it off.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: DragonChaser]
#7999703 - 02/09/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Every body needs to calm down and stop being so pessimistic. If the guy wants to do it, how about offer some survival tips, instead of just being douche bags saying "you wont do it, you cant do it, youre full of shit" and finding other reasons to berate the idea? I'm going to fucking do it this summer, and I hope Bastard gives it a shot somewhere too. Just because you cant do it, doesn't mean we suck as much balls as you. I'm sure either one of us could pull it off.
Now THAT, was well said.
Yeah. I don't think he was planning on just walking into the woods one day naked and praying to the trees to literally do everything for him. He may have accidentally expressed a sense of naive excitement about the idea of going on this adventure, which most people would not be capable of enduring.
However, if someone believes they can, and are properly prepared, there is absolutely no reason to assume they are incapable just because we're all addicted to this modern lifestyle. Don't tell me you aren't because you are. We're all fucking pathetic addicts. This is evident because we're all posting on a fucking form on the Internet. And I'm sure any one of you who may be reading this and thinking "I'm not addicted to consumerism and materialism..." is probably going to go drive their car around in the next few hours while convincing themselves they're special because they are a little more aware than some people.
It was totally unnecesarry. Even if he did go out without any proper knowledge, he'd learn his lesson.
Life's tests come first - the lessons later. Unless you study. 
Preparation is key, and I'm sure he realizes that. No need to attack him...
I don't know if anyone has heard of Christopher McCandless, but he was one interesting fellow.
"For years, McCandless had dreamed of an "Alaskan Odyssey": he would live off the land, far away from civilization, and keep a journal describing his physical and spiritual progress as he faced the forces of nature. In April 1992 McCandless successfully hitchhiked to Fairbanks, Alaska. He was last seen alive by James Gallien, who gave him a ride from Fairbanks to the Stampede Trail. Gallien was concerned about "Alex", who had little gear and no experience in the Alaskan bush. Gallien tried to persuade Alex to defer his trip, and even offered to drive him to Anchorage to buy suitable equipment. McCandless refused all assistance except for a pair of rubber boots, two tuna melts, and a bag of corn chips."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandless
This is an example of why you should teach yourself a lot about survival before taking on such a feat.
He starved to death.
Edited by manyc (02/09/08 11:19 AM)
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: manyc]
#7999765 - 02/09/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Read the Naked into the Wilderness series by John and Geri Mcpherson.
Maybe the SAS survival handbook.
Look up bushcraft, and stuff online.
These sites are good:
http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/shelter/index.html http://www.bushcraftuk.com/
DON'T BE A PUSSY! Eat rats and bugs if you have to. You are NOT going to be able to eat deer and rabbit all the time. And even if you did, you need to remember to eat FAT. Fat is the best thing for you. Eat their guts, brains, tallows and whatnot. Not just the meat or you'll starve. And forget about plants unless you are absolutely sure you can eat it. Carbohydrates are the one and only non-essential macronutrient, and if you eat your animals right you shouldn't have any vitamin deficiencies.
I plan on trying out some wilderness living for awhile too. Not because I exactly want to escape society (but I don't want to work at best buy for the next two years to pay for an apartment so I can sleep before going to work at best buy) but because I'm interested. And because I want to travel. I figure if I do things right, I'll be able to move up and down the land without spending as much money as normal backpackers do.
Remember to practice too. I'm going to practice bow drill firing and cordage immediately after the temperature bumps up 10 degrees.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: manyc]
#7999775 - 02/09/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well put Manyc. Preparation is key. Ive read about that guy before, I think they even made a movie or documentary; "Into the Wild" I think its called? I think Alaska would be on the bottom of my list of places to attempt survival in, along with the himalayas and Siberia. I admit that what we propose is no easy task, where we could just toss down our car keys, step away from our keyboards and go hunt and gather. My plan is to go out somewhere with a temperate climate, with a weeks worth of preserved food, and attempt to survive for 3 weeks total, maybe 2 or 3 days walk from civilization. Also some other supplies, a water filter, knife, fishing hooks and line, compass, and some cash in case I need to bail. From there, make a bow, and attempt to hunt and gather. This way, if I get the feeling I'm totally screwed, I will only have to walk for a few days on an empty stomach, before I can find a store. And you're right, no one should try to do this unprepared. Not knowing what you're doing in the unforgiving wilderness can most certainly get you killed. Anyway, thanks for being supportive, and not slamming the idea like everyone else seems to want to do.
On a side note... the first time I do this, I plan on being alone. If it turns out to be something I can handle, I'd like to go out again for a longer time, with maybe a group or 4 people total. That way I won't be driven batshit crazy by myself, and still get to be away from civilization and society. It would be interesting to see how a group of four people interact and bond in a survival scenario. I'm sure they would develop much stronger ties over just a month than most people would develop back in the city.
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: DragonChaser]
#7999783 - 02/09/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: PyroBurns]
#7999785 - 02/09/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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PyroBurns said: DON'T BE A PUSSY! Eat rats and bugs if you have to. You are NOT going to be able to eat deer and rabbit all the time. And even if you did, you need to remember to eat FAT. Fat is the best thing for you. Eat their guts, brains, tallows and whatnot. Not just the meat or you'll starve. And forget about plants unless you are absolutely sure you can eat it. Carbohydrates are the one and only non-essential macronutrient, and if you eat your animals right you shouldn't have any vitamin deficiencies.
Thats a very good point. You can't go out there expecting to eat food like you would at home. I could definitely see myself eating some termites though... roll them up in wet leaves and give them a slight roast over the fire. I bet they wouldn't be too bad. What parts of animals are bad to eat? Aren't there certain organs that aren't all that good for you?
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: manyc]
#7999792 - 02/09/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok OP... I have a lot to say to you on this front and I'm not going to try and convince you one way or another... but here are some facts about what you're wanting to do.
First, I have an uncle that went into Alaska for 3 years and lived communally. My uncle is a big guy... well over 300 lbs. If ever someone was said to be gorging on our materialistic society, I'd say it's him. When he came home, he'd lost over 200 lbs, had been attacked by more than one animal, was held at gunpoint b thieves for what little gear and provisions he'd had, and lived in perpetual fear of the wilds around him. Here's the kicker. He's a survivor. He knew to a degree exactly what he was getting into. He was at least somewhat prepared for what he was stepping into. You aren't. And no amount of scouting on the net could possibly prepare you without laying flint to tinder, stripping down game, fishing a lake, or any number of other wilderness survival techniques. In fact, without the society you so loathe, you couldn't even hope to be partially prepared for the excursion. If you didn't have your precious internet, where would you get all this info? If you didn't have a vast library, how would you hope to know half of what you should do?
The romantic notion is thrilling, to be sure. But there is a difference between reality and fiction. You have notions in your head that are clearly romanticised to huge degrees. I urge you to find information about people who've taken the same sort of journey. Speak to those that went before you at the very least and get their advice. If you're so hellbent on doing this, I won't even try to suggest you do otherwise. But, for your well-being, for your family and friends, for all those around you that care about you as a person... if you plan to deprive them of a son, a brother, a friend... then at least do your damn best to insure that he will return in one piece some day. You owe them that.
If you insist on this madness, I wish you the best of luck. But, I'll wager you'll end up like my uncle in the end... you'll lose a lot of weight, probably walk the knife's edge with death on both sides, and return a much graver man for it.
I'm sorry to ramble like this, but after watching someone in my family do exactly what you want to do, I feel a little strongly about it.
Remember that everything you do creates ripples. If you go into the wild, you worry your family and friends. If you donate to a homeless shelter, your ripples benefit others around you. If you opt into philanthropy, you offer the downtrodden that you're so worried about your hand. Think on that... what kind of ripples in the water do you want to make?
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Re: I am thinking of going "into the wild" [Re: AroundtheSon]
#7999820 - 02/09/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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now understand this isnt something i would jump into unprepared.
I plan on doing a few years of practice maybe a week at a time in different environments doing research so on and so fourth.
and who knows maybe a week in the wilderness every once in awhile is all ill need.
This plan was never set in stone it was just something Ive been thinking about, i didn't think everyone would get all sorts of upset.
Also I realize that joining say the peace corp would do poor people much better than this, and this wont do anything for them at all, but at least i wont contribute to that stuff, but that is not the only reason or the biggest reason I would want to take this quest.
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AroundtheSon said: you won't do it, we've got you hooked on materialism.
Ya this is another reason unmentioned before, I am afraid this might be true i kind of want to unhook myself from that form of conditioning. I want to see if i could accomplish what man did for thousands of years. Plus it would be very interesting and i would learn a lot about myself and nature.
and a whole list of other reasons.
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