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OTC hallucinogen
    #7996660 - 02/08/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard now that there are some OTC medications that if you take enough of, you can trip. Mostly Dimetap and Robotussein (sp??)


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996681 - 02/08/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Most cough syrup has a drug called Detromethorphan in it which is not a hallucinogen, but will still make you trip. I really advise you not to take it though. Some studies indicate that using it may lead to Olney's Lesions (very small holes in the brain).

http://erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm.shtml


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: appleorange]
    #7996698 - 02/08/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Also, when buying the cough syrup, make sure the only active ingredient is Dextromethorphan. If it contains any other chemicals, you will only be hurting yourself more and may end up vomiting the entire night long.

haha, writing this makes me realize how gay of a drug cough syrup actually is.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996763 - 02/08/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So when do you graduate from high school?


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: robbyberto]
    #7996772 - 02/08/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i was thinking the same thing. i'm 90% sure this is a 15 year old goth girl.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: appleorange]
    #7996812 - 02/08/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

1992

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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996832 - 02/08/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok, lol, I'm sorry.

high school kids are really big on the cough syrup and you had that goth girl avatar. my bad :rasta:


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: appleorange]
    #7996859 - 02/08/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well, I am at heart very goth.

...and I'm just interested in obtaining legal ways of seeing, feeling and hearing cool shit.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996875 - 02/08/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Eat some dramamine.  :yesnod:


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996882 - 02/08/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

DXM is a one-time kind of thing...it's a dissociative drug. It's not really a hallucinogen in the sense that mushrooms or LSD are. It basically makes you feel really really drunk, with sort of the imaginative effects of shrooms. I've only done it once, I did a bottle of Robotussin...just make sure the only active ingredient is Dextromethorphan (DXM). If there's Guaifinasen (Sp?) in it, a bottle dose has a good chance of killing you.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7996885 - 02/08/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well then welcome to dramamine and dextromethorphan

very common ways of legally seeing crazy shit, though obviously not the most health-oriented ways

funny how the stuff that's safer is illegal


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996886 - 02/08/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's only wrong if you get caught. I don't think you want to jump right into dissociative drugs if you don't have much experience. DXM is illegal to consume for recreational purposes too.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996896 - 02/08/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

aything worth doing is illegal...

aside from salvia.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: robbyberto]
    #7996900 - 02/08/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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DXM is illegal to consume for recreational purposes too.




:confused:
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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #7996902 - 02/08/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dxm is worth doing at least once. It's a dissociative so it's kind of an anti-psychedelic. It can get really intense and uncomfortable at the peak though so start low when dosing. I happened to be shooting for a first/second plateau trip but ended up in the third plateau. I was sensitive to dxm. interesting stuff nonetheless. yeah and make sure the only active ingredient is dextromethorphan(dxm) or you WILL die!!!


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7996903 - 02/08/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

door mouse,

there are NO good legal ways of getting high. i mean, cough syrup is without a doubt the most powerful legal drug probably, but it's terrible for you.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: wrestler_az]
    #7996904 - 02/08/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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aything worth doing is illegal...

aside from salvia.




Cause ya can't handle it nig!?:macdre:


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: robbyberto]
    #7996908 - 02/08/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well DXM and dramamine are legal for you to buy if you need it for a 'bad cough' or your terrible 'motion sickness'

so saying they're illegal to consume for recreational purposes doesn't mean shit


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7996911 - 02/08/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hes saying salvia is the only thing thats legal thats worth doing. i dont think he was saying salvia isnt worth it


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: soundtrance]
    #7996920 - 02/08/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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hes saying salvia is the only thing thats legal thats worth doing. i dont think he was saying salvia isnt worth it




sorry i'm retarded lolz. sorry wrestler don't take it personally aight nig:macdre:


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7996922 - 02/08/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cool legal dr00gz:

kratom
amanita muscarian mushies
dxm(fuck all da hataz)
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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996930 - 02/08/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dxm has shit to offer, it's just the drug purists here disown it because it doesn't have psilocybin or lysergic acids in it. make sure you grab the right kind if you decide to try it (FUCK dimetapp, coricidin, anything with somethhing other than Dextromethorphan HBR). there are awesome sites out there (the dextroverse, third plateau, etc) dedicated to safe(er) dxm use, similar to the shroomery and mushrooms.

just make sure you know what you're getting into, when i was a younger idiot i OD'd on the shit. no fun at all, just try to be safe. gl hf.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7996938 - 02/08/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol, its all good. i have a hard time taking anything follwed by this smiley,  :macdre: personal anyway.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: wrestler_az]
    #7996953 - 02/08/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i'll admit, the high is pretty cool, but it feels dirty and you honestly feel retarded the next day.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7996962 - 02/08/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My suggestions are:

Diphenhydramine/Doxylamine

... or smoke some salvia.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: zSDMF]
    #7996964 - 02/08/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've done dxm/robo 5 times. Each one was about 10% good effects, 90% awful effects. Thats just my personal testimony, on a broad range of doses (went into a coma-bodybindish state for about 6 hours once on a very high dose, pretty fucked up.) I wouldn't do it again for any reason, not worth how shitty you feel before and after imo.

Just the prospect of chugging a bunch of syrup, or swallowing 30+ pills alone would be enough for me to consider it a dumb thing. I was younger when i did it though, not as 'wise' as today i suppose.

Anyway, good luck if you decide to dose up, i wouldn't go crazy though its not something you want to go overboard with.

Oh yeah, triple C's are really fucked up, i wouldn't recommend doing it. I have lots of friends that are mindless apes from triple c abuse.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: appleorange]
    #7996966 - 02/08/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i'll admit, the high is pretty cool, but it feels dirty and you honestly feel retarded the next day.




I didn't feel retarded the next day.  Maybe it's cause I'm already retarded lolz.:macdre:  It does feel pretty gross though.  Did any of you guys lose the ability to yawn after doing it?  I can't yawn properly anymore lolz. a town down niggaz


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: appleorange]
    #7996973 - 02/08/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

DXM is a good way to feel like crap, and the trips aren't very interesting.

Look into:

HBWR
San Pedro/Peruvian Torch
Ayahuasca from either: Mimosa Hostilis, Syrian Rue, Caapi Vine, Chacruna, or other less popular things you will come across
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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7996984 - 02/08/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LSA containing seeds (Hawaiian baby woodrose and morning glory)? I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, as they are bona fide hallucinogens as well as quite legal to purchase.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7996989 - 02/08/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

... and you have to soak the poisonous shit off the shells and eat like 1000 of them.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7997006 - 02/08/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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... and you have to soak the poisonous shit off the shells and eat like 1000 of them.




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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7997007 - 02/08/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lsa has been mentioned a few times in this thread. im surprised you didnt notice... :smirk:


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7997021 - 02/08/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Eat some dramamine.  :yesnod:



Yes its worth a try:thumbup:

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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7997046 - 02/08/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like goth girls.

From my experience, people who really enjoy dex usually use it a couple times a day for years sometimes, going from store to store stealing it constantly, unemployable, theives, users and abusers, use as many drugs as possible even huff paint, honestly think they are cool for doing it, and worst of all, they actually brag about the lifestyle constantly.

I do not fit into that catagory, but more power to those who do. I can really care less.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7997059 - 02/08/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LSA as stated as above
DXM
Salvia
Jenkem(:shrug:)


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7997091 - 02/08/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I like goth girls.

From my experience, people who really enjoy dex usually use it a couple times a day for years sometimes, going from store to store stealing it constantly, unemployable, theives, users and abusers, use as many drugs as possible even huff paint, honestly think they are cool for doing it, and worst of all, they actually brag about the lifestyle constantly.

I do not fit into that catagory, but more power to those who do. I can really care less.




Did you see the intervention episode of the dxm addict?


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7997095 - 02/08/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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DXM is illegal to consume for recreational purposes too.




:confused:
In what country?



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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7997178 - 02/08/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
Quote:

GGreatOne234 said:
I like goth girls.

From my experience, people who really enjoy dex usually use it a couple times a day for years sometimes, going from store to store stealing it constantly, unemployable, theives, users and abusers, use as many drugs as possible even huff paint, honestly think they are cool for doing it, and worst of all, they actually brag about the lifestyle constantly.

I do not fit into that catagory, but more power to those who do. I can really care less.




Did you see the intervention episode of the dxm addict?




lol there was realy an episode on that. ive seen some pretty odd ones like food addicts and gay meth addicts but i havent seen the dxm episode. how much dxm was he doin and how was he getiing it lol?


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: soundtrance]
    #7997196 - 02/08/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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GGreatOne234 said:
I like goth girls.

From my experience, people who really enjoy dex usually use it a couple times a day for years sometimes, going from store to store stealing it constantly, unemployable, theives, users and abusers, use as many drugs as possible even huff paint, honestly think they are cool for doing it, and worst of all, they actually brag about the lifestyle constantly.

I do not fit into that catagory, but more power to those who do. I can really care less.




Did you see the intervention episode of the dxm addict?




lol there was realy an episode on that. ive seen some pretty odd ones like food addicts and gay meth addicts but i havent seen the dxm episode. how much dxm was he doin and how was he getiing it lol?




He did hellza. He was fucking a weird ass black guy for clothes and money to. It was pretty fucked up. Look it up on youtube.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7997272 - 02/08/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What if the original poster was that 13 year old kid we saw a few months back called wickedXzombieking?:lol:  He was so deadset on taking diphenhydramine from sleeping pills, that no one could turn him off from it.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Grylls]
    #7997295 - 02/08/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

diphenhydramine can be some nasty stuff lol. my friend a few years ago got in all kinds of trouble in school. it was realy stupid of him to take 30 fucking benadryl in school but he locked himself in the bathroom and flooded it the he walked into the lunchroom thinking it was lunch time and he was walking with all his friends and the security guards were like wtf are you doing and they took him to the health room and he ended up going to the hospital and drinking some charcol.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #7997310 - 02/08/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Diphenhydramine

Its in benadryl.
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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #7997479 - 02/08/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what if???

What if my aunt had balls? She'd be my uncle, wouldn't she?

Now drop and gimme 20!

I was just curious is all.

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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: soundtrance]
    #7997619 - 02/08/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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diphenhydramine can be some nasty stuff lol. my friend a few years ago got in all kinds of trouble in school. it was realy stupid of him to take 30 fucking benadryl in school but he locked himself in the bathroom and flooded it the he walked into the lunchroom thinking it was lunch time and he was walking with all his friends and the security guards were like wtf are you doing and they took him to the health room and he ended up going to the hospital and drinking some charcol.



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

That's what happens when you eat 30 dramamine.  I know a guy who has picked up by cops sitting by the side of the highway talking to a bush that he thought was his little brother.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7997654 - 02/08/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lol that guy. I quoted him in my sig, because it was so fuckign hilarious.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Skeeblix]
    #7997667 - 02/08/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Dramamine is funny shit.
No entheogenic purposes but entertaning.eat a whole bottle on an empty stomach original formula.

Dramamine not benadryl.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7997701 - 02/08/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Dramamine is funny shit.
No entheogenic purposes but entertaning.eat a whole bottle on an empty stomach original formula.

Dramamine not benadryl.




what are the differences in effects?


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7997720 - 02/08/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Salvia never really gave me good insights into life or anything. It just made everything terribly fucked up. Worst legal high out there...Sure, I can "handle" it, but I'd rather not experience it. It's just too weird. Definitely not worth it, in my opinion. $60 for a good gram of that shit...

Dramamine was never really fun for me...yeah it fucks you up but you're so tired for the whole thing...same with Benedryl. I could never find a way to stay awake during them, and when I woke up after passing out I always had the shittiest feeling.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #7997904 - 02/08/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Eh, for it me it was one of those things you try once in high school to see what it's like.  It's definitely gives the most "realistic" visuals I know of (as in you can't tell if something is really there or just in your head).  But it's just no good.

I really can't ever see myself saying, "I sure wish I was tripping on dramamine right now." :shrug:


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7997951 - 02/08/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dxm is a dissasociative i believe it is considered a hallucinogen if ingested in large quantities, but it is not a psychedelic, it acts in a very basic sense by messing up the link between the corporal body and the mind.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: doitagain]
    #7998335 - 02/08/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

DXM is definatly a hallucinogen. Its just not a 5-ht hallucinogen. It can produce psychedelic effects, but not the same ones as traditional psychedelics.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Moo456]
    #7998584 - 02/08/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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DXM is definatly a hallucinogen. Its just not a 5-ht hallucinogen. It can produce psychedelic effects, but not the same ones as traditional psychedelics.



i definitely agree it can feel psychedelic, but isn't it classified as a dissasociative?


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: doitagain]
    #7998622 - 02/08/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it's both.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: usg543]
    #7998722 - 02/09/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i havent tried it but based on what ive heard I would also agree that it is both, just because it does not produce psychedelic effects in the same category as mushrooms or acid doesn't mean it doesnt have any psychedelic properties.... at the proper dose of course.


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: Churning]
    #7998767 - 02/09/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Appleorange, please when you do your research, follow it all the way through.

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http://erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health2.shtml
http://erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health3.shtml




Both of those show how william white's research was inconclusive and did not directly show damage or olney's legions.

In no way am I saying that dxm does no harm, but it's not fair to hand out facts about false harm.

For my 2 cents, I know alot of people who like dxm occasionally (myself being one of them), and although I do know people that dislike it, the majority of people I know that have tried it always have a fun time.

sZDMF named a few very good sites to check out for finding out your dosage if you were to sample, and what kind of medicine containing dxm to buy. (dextroverse, third plateau)


Have fun if you do decide to indulge : )


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: door mouse]
    #14721546 - 07/05/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

well, since either you know facts or tryed, i use to be addicted to this shit, i didnt matter what kind of syurp it was it all went the same place, an all kinds either were rough an ended up throwing up, or great an rolled allnight, ... this shit should be stayed away from unless you have a cold, may only be 18, but after such a high dosage i tripped an went to hospital, only thing that saved my life was facebook, its no funny talkin to a pillow an trippin while everyone laughs at you. i made this account just to say..


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Re: OTC hallucinogen [Re: i eat em]
    #14721905 - 07/05/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This is a three year old thread.  No point in resurrecting it, especially "just to say"...nothing.

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