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BEEP

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this was probably a bad idea
#7996656 - 02/08/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so one of my pf tek jars wasnt colonizing as fast as the other 7 . i opend the jar and cut off the colonized parts, washed off all the verm and brf that was around it and dunkd for about 30 hours, rolld in verm and put it in a small fruiting chamber 1/3 full of perlite, so yea.. i wonder if it will fruit. im really just eperimenting right now. anyone else done somthin like this? what do you think will happen?
is it even possible to get fruits or did i just waste a cake?
Edited by BEEP (02/08/08 03:31 PM)
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#7996683 - 02/08/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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all the time
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: tahoe]
#8000654 - 02/09/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well no pins, and the myc seems to still be growing, wierd..
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8000791 - 02/09/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats normal, after the dunk it takes a couple of days for the myc to re structure itself... you hsould be fine
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: dizzy_jester]
#8000925 - 02/09/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm doing it with some rye jars right now lol
weird timing on the thread (the jars got botched because the heat here is absolutely f'ed) and I didn't re-calibrate the fish tank heater in the incubator.
but yea, you should be good to go, I'd case it though.
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: HybridprX]
#8002284 - 02/09/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm. Was it contamination that stopped it from growing, or overly wet substrate? I ask because I ruined most of my first-attempt jars with overly wet substrate, and no matter how I cut them, there was only ever about a 1/16th of an inch of mycelium anywhere.
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BEEP

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no i don't think too much water ruined it or contams i think i didn't level the sub and dry verm spilled on one side and no myc was growing off a inoculation point
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: HybridprX]
#8004497 - 02/10/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: I'm doing it with some rye jars right now lol
weird timing on the thread (the jars got botched because the heat here is absolutely f'ed) and I didn't re-calibrate the fish tank heater in the incubator.
but yea, you should be good to go, I'd case it though.
How do you keep screwing up? You sent me all those pm's talking shit to me and saying that I do not know what I am talking about and then you post all these rookie ass mistakes???
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: HybridprX]
#8004541 - 02/10/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: I'm doing it with some rye jars right now lol
You must love bac and trich 
Assuming no infection, the cake segment will probably still fruit, the only thing wasted was the potential substrate you discarded.
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: xeallos]
#8009212 - 02/11/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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myc looks like its growing straight up in strands, I've never fruited before so I'm not sure if this is gonna be pins or just myc still growing. i would post a pic but i have a shitty camera phone that probably wont show, but ill take a few and try to get a shot w/o touching anything. in a few minits, when myc grows like that is it a sign its gonna fruit or just normal growth with no boundaries (jar walls/sub)
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8013067 - 02/12/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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no pins this is looking like a lost cause, should i just eat the myc?
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8013078 - 02/12/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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id guess eating cake mycelium is like eating sand.
but go for it. also I'm assuming your cake would take 2-3weeks to show growth as it's not fully colonized so full colonization + over a week as it was taken out of incubation.
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: flavoraid]
#8013107 - 02/12/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If it just started throwing rhizo's off the recolonized surface in your FC than of course it won't show pins yet. No, don't eat the myc because A) it's PF tek and that would be fucking nasty, like flavoraid said more like eating sand. B) consuming mycelium is a waste of time, energy and spawn material. You can make a tea with a whole quart jar of fully colonized grain spawn and it will barely have enough actives to get you giddy.
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: xeallos]
#8013189 - 02/12/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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damn how log do u think till it fruits? all uncolonized parts are cut off
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8014562 - 02/12/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I said 2-3 weeks from when you cut off the uncolonized parts.
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: flavoraid]
#8055624 - 02/22/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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2 days ago many pins..
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8055651 - 02/22/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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are u seeing pins now?
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: Supplier]
#8055721 - 02/22/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i did 2 days ago, there still looking like pins but i can tell there slowly growing, i dont have a good camera to post a picture that will show everything
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8055783 - 02/22/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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u got a camera phone?? i wanna see hehe
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: Supplier]
#8057886 - 02/22/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think im missing a few [ictures and double up on others, im pretty lazy right now so ill post later if i can get to it theres alot more really tiny ones the pictures arnt showing right now
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8058098 - 02/22/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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looks like it's working!
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: enesi]
#8059320 - 02/23/08 04:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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there still about that size a little bigger but, the cap on 2 of the largest ones are breaking away fromthe stem and i can see the gills, is it abnormal for that to happen when they're so small? if not maybe im gonna have dwarfs because of the small amount of substrate?
i looked at alot of pictures and i cant find 1 with the cap breaking away so soon.
p.s. this is my first time ever fruiting too, so im unexperianced besides what iv'e read on here.
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8059437 - 02/23/08 07:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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sometimes you get small ones..sometimes they are big. Just be happy you were successful for your first time. that's more then a lot of people get.
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: enesi]
#8059463 - 02/23/08 07:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i am happy and really exited when i saw the first pin i was jumpin up and down, literally. im gonna assume you're sayin that it's normal for that to happen (with small mushrooms). thanks, i'll post again when the sub is spent, and i have a final outcome.
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8064241 - 02/24/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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veil broke spores where dropping,, had to harvest this part of the cake, uhh, like my midgets?

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8064286 - 02/24/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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damn those things are tiny! lol
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: enesi]
#8064336 - 02/24/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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enesi said: damn those things are tiny! lol
hell yea they are, shitty genitics or little substrate? i might get into LC's whenever i get a good fruit from my pf cakes so i dont get genes like that, either way thats my first fruit and its still awsome, im gonna eat all the flushes at onces maybe get a head change
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8064421 - 02/24/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hard to say, probably a combination of those, could also be less then par fruiting conditions.
I'm sure the next harvest you'll do better
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: HybridprX]
#8064439 - 02/24/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: I'm doing it with some rye jars right now lol
You wont get anything fruiting with straigh rye. You might get a few gimpy pins- if that. Grains need something thats hydrating and absorbing. Along with the spaceing between grains so they don't "rott" eachother. Grains take a long time to hydrate, and lose hydration at a fast pace, without another medium in the mix.
A simple way to make your grains into cakes is to take a colonized qt jar of grain. Take, say, eight half pint jars. Break up your grains however you like. Mix with three parts vermiculite; Pasturized, sterilized, or out o' the bag, it doesn't matter. Load the jars and let them run for a few days in the incubator. It shouldn't take more than a week, tops, before 100% colonization.
You can get many flushes this way; keeping em clean, hydrated and rolled in verm after each flush, you can keep them flushing for two months.
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JoelKl1 said: damn those things are tiny! lol
hell yea they are, shitty genitics or little substrate? i might get into LC's whenever i get a good fruit from my pf cakes so i dont get genes like that, either way thats my first fruit and its still awsome, im gonna eat all the flushes at onces maybe get a head change
Thats totally normal- a small lil' chunk of medium giving off small fruits.
Think about how big those fruits would be, say relitive to their 'chunk' size, versus the size of a caseing- they would be much larger- their genes are still grovy.
I cloned this-
 
They did this-
  
Those lil' guys were my first fruits, ever- with my last chunk of a failed casing attempt, and no spore solution left.
Keep it up. You can never have to much mushroom dna laying around.
Edited by Civ (02/24/08 01:12 PM)
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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: HybridprX]
#8064589 - 02/24/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: I'm doing it with some rye jars right now lol
You wont get anything fruiting with straigh rye. You might get a few gimpy pins- if that. Grains need something thats hydrating and absorbing. Along with the spaceing between grains so they don't "rott" eachother. Grains take a long time to hydrate, and lose hydration at a fast pace, without another medium in the mix.
A simple way to make your grains into cakes is to take a colonized qt jar of grain. Take, say, eight half pint jars. Break up your grains however you like. Mix with three parts vermiculite; Pasturized, sterilized, or out o' the bag, it doesn't matter. Load the jars and let them run for a few days in the incubator. It shouldn't take more than a week, tops, before 100% colonization.
You can get many flushes this way; keeping em clean, hydrated and rolled in verm after each flush, you can keep them flushing for two months.
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BEEP

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Re: this was probably a bad idea [Re: BEEP]
#8089509 - 03/01/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i picked everything and got about 2 grams dry maybe, i dont have a scale but i know it wasnt alot, i dunked the cakes and rolled them again theres already 2 pins on one cake, but anyway, i ate the small amount of shrooms i got from the first flush and trippd baallllls a level 4 experiance, it was a really nice trip untill i smoked some pot, then the fear and paranoia kicked in and everything went downhill for the night, oh well. but yea, they must have been really potent, by the way i let the caps open, so that myth about shrooms being more potent before the cap opens and veil breaks, is probably just a myth 
E: it wasn't such a bad idea at all, to get some fruits and trip faster, i birthd 5 brf cakes and they still havnt fruited
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