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cop intruding
    #7996546 - 02/08/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

k this is hypothetical and hasn't happened but i was wondering if im licensed to bare arms and a police officer comes into my home warrant less and unwanted can i shot him or what will happen if i ask him to leave and he refuses then attack/shot him


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Re: cop intruding [Re: milkman]
    #7996589 - 02/08/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

complicated, most likely


if your state's got the castle doctrine shit the NRA and others want, and you can prove the cop didn't identify himself or you didn't know or shouldn't have known about it, you can prolly get off


it all comes down to what you knew or should have known at the time you shot him, and most likely whether a reasonable person would have feared for his life, unless your state's got the castle doctrine shit where you can defend your home under all circumstances w/ deadly force


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Re: cop intruding [Re: johnm214]
    #7996609 - 02/08/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

castle doctrine sounds nice thanks

what if they idetify them selfs and are on your property in your house ethier or and have no warrant how would i make them leave or who could i call

http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm

yay


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    #7996611 - 02/08/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: cop intruding [Re: Chemy]
    #7996629 - 02/08/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well i was thinkin that i would call 911 and demand the captain or something but im thinking to far into this situation thanks for the info though

anyone know how old you have to be to obtain a gun license in florida ive read 18 but that was not from a .gov site so im not sure


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Re: cop intruding [Re: milkman]
    #7996644 - 02/08/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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milkman said:
castle doctrine sounds nice thanks

what if they idetify them selfs and are on your property in your house ethier or and have no warrant how would i make them leave or who could i call

http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm

yay




in this case, I doubt you can shoot them even if the law would allow it for a private party.


When push comes to shove, you can't do much.

If you want to stop that shit, your gonna have to take em on in court, civilly. Probably not much you can do. Even if the law would allow you to defend yourself, the cop will claim he was there on official buisness, and then arrest you for assault on an officer.

Better to just refuse cooperation and sue em once they're done w/ you.


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    #7996673 - 02/08/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: cop intruding [Re: Chemy]
    #7996688 - 02/08/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hmm sounds good thansk for the info


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Re: cop intruding [Re: milkman]
    #7996716 - 02/08/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you would probably find out later that he was there legally, and would then be eaten alive by the court system in short order.


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Re: cop intruding [Re: Chemy]
    #7997296 - 02/08/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have no idea who you can call on the cops, can't dial 911.




Actually you can dial 911 on the cops, and in many instances its a really good idea.

If a cop is doing something illegal and abusing his authority, dial 911 immediately and report it. All the audio will be recorded once you are connected, so be sure to describe exactly what the cop is doing so it all goes into the permanent record.

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STILLWATER, Minn. (AP) - A Maplewood police officer was charged with several felonies for allegedly falsely imprisoning a man and threatening to beat him, only to let him go when the man called 911 on his cell phone from the back of a squad car.

Washington County Attorney Doug Johnson said Friday that his office had charged Officer Jason Patrick Marino, 31, with kidnapping, terroristic threats, misconduct and several other counts stemming from the incident on April 28, 2006.

At about 1:30 a.m. that morning, Marino allegedly handcuffed and detained a 21-year-old man in his squad car without arresting him, after the younger man approached Marino and another officer at a SuperAmerica store to ask for a ride to Interstate 94. Once in the car, Marino threatened several times to beat up the 21-year-old, according to the criminal complaint.

Marino then drove out of Maplewood and into neighboring Washington County, but left the man by the side of the road after realizing that he was talking to someone on his cell phone, according to authorities. A Washington County deputy picked the man up a short time later, and reported that he was crying and out of breath with fear.

"The behavior of Marino is something that you see on fictional television shows, but in 33 years of prosecuting I have never seen this type of police behavior actually happen," Johnson said in a press release.

Marino did not have a listed telephone number. A telephone call to Johnson's office seeking the name of Marino's attorney was not immediately returned.

According to the criminal complaint, Marino told Washington County investigators that the 21-year-old asked to be taken to jail. Marino initially intended to oblige, he said, but changed his mind and left the man on the side of the road.

Marino has been on paid administrative leave since the day of the incident, Maplewood Police Chief Dave Thomalla said. He had not been brought into custody and had not yet appeared in court on the charges.




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Re: cop intruding [Re: wilshire]
    #7997322 - 02/08/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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you would probably find out later that he was there legally, and would then be eaten alive by the court system in short order.


Shoot him anyways. :cop2:


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Re: cop intruding [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #8005450 - 02/10/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

is a shotgun considered a rifle?


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Re: cop intruding [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8005540 - 02/10/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Don't open the door till you see a warrent. And you'll be fine. If he forces his way in without a warrent then its breaking and entering and him being a cop don't mean shit. Çuz he aint shit with out a warrent.


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Re: cop intruding [Re: Cubie]
    #8005562 - 02/10/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that m4 sounds like a great idea thanks for the info bit pricy though


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Re: cop intruding [Re: milkman]
    #8005678 - 02/10/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Chemy I gotta disagree with you about the shotgun. I just got a mossburg tatical shotgun and it will do the job just fine. Mine holds 8 shots with one in the chamber. I use one buck shot then 5 bird shot then 2 more buckshots. I assure you I could clear a house out without reloading.


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Re: cop intruding [Re: Cubie]
    #8005694 - 02/10/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

shotties are alright in a house id think case of the close range but then again its easier to fuck up a door/wall with that but if you get a semi auto rifle and practice a bit youll only need on bullet and no spread


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    #8005707 - 02/10/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: cop intruding [Re: Cubie]
    #8006008 - 02/10/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Don't open the door till you see a warrent.
Yes

And you'll be fine. If he forces his way in without a warrent then its breaking and entering and him being a cop don't mean shit. Çuz he aint shit with out a warrent.
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Re: cop intruding [Re: johnm214]
    #8006053 - 02/10/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How?


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    #8009460 - 02/11/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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And you'll be fine. If he forces his way in without a warrent then its breaking and entering and him being a cop don't mean shit. Çuz he aint shit with out a warrent.
NO








Why not? Do police have some kind of special immunity from breaking and entering laws while they are on the job?


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