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Gore on Energy Conservation
    #7993917 - 02/07/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Al Gore’s Personal Energy Use Is His Own “Inconvenient Truth”
Gore’s home uses more than 20 times the national average

Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

Gore could install a hot air converter and power up his house!


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: hummermania00]
    #7994962 - 02/08/08 05:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.




Wow! You guys have cheap power in the states. Usage of 22619kWh here would cost over $10,000. We pay close to $0.50 per kwh.


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7995032 - 02/08/08 06:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.




Wow! You guys have cheap power in the states. Usage of 22619kWh here would cost over $10,000. We pay close to $0.50 per kwh.




damn, how do you generate your endrgy down there? potato power?



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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: johnm214]
    #7995130 - 02/08/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> damn, how do you generate your endrgy down there?

They burn stuff... oil, mostly, I think. The big problem is the government. The government quit paying their power bill. When the power company cut the power to government buildings, the government passed a law saying the power company cannot turn off power for lack of payment on government accounts. To make up for the losses, the power company has had to raise rates. They went up 40% in November and another 10% (on top of the 40%) in December. It is a round-about way of taxing.

I simply do not use much power. I have a computer, a refrigerator, and a clock running. I also run a fan in the summer (which raises my bill $25/mo). My bill comes out around $60 to $90 per month depending upon the season. People that have normal usage, minus air-conditioning, pay around $500 per month. If you run air-conditioning, expect to pay $800+ per month. When I ran a little window air-conditioner, only at night, only for one room, my bill went up by $150 per month. (This was five years ago when power cost 50% less than it does today!)


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7996445 - 02/08/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How much profit does the electric company make? As opposed to their generating, maintenance costs?


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7996602 - 02/08/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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> damn, how do you generate your endrgy down there?

They burn stuff... oil, mostly, I think. The big problem is the government. The government quit paying their power bill. When the power company cut the power to government buildings, the government passed a law saying the power company cannot turn off power for lack of payment on government accounts. To make up for the losses, the power company has had to raise rates. They went up 40% in November and another 10% (on top of the 40%) in December. It is a round-about way of taxing.





That's insane, man.

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I simply do not use much power. I have a computer, a refrigerator, and a clock running. I also run a fan in the summer (which raises my bill $25/mo). My bill comes out around $60 to $90 per month depending upon the season. People that have normal usage, minus air-conditioning, pay around $500 per month. If you run air-conditioning, expect to pay $800+ per month. When I ran a little window air-conditioner, only at night, only for one room, my bill went up by $150 per month. (This was five years ago when power cost 50% less than it does today!)




Sounds like you have really simplified your energy uses. There is so much crap plugged into my walls going all the time, sometimes it really blows my mind.
What about cost of living in other aspects? Do you own a car? Is gas/food expensive down there?


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7996972 - 02/08/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ack, sorry Phred... I didn't mean to derail this post...

> How much profit does the electric company make?

It is a not-for-profit public corporation. The outrageous rates have a lot of causes, but mostly it is a hidden tax. (We the people pay for the governments power usage through the power company as an indirect "tax". Since the power company can't cut the governments power, and since the government doesn't pay their power bill, the power company raises the people's power rates to make up for the lost revenues.)

> Sounds like you have really simplified your energy uses.

I try. I use very little power. My water comes from collected rain stored under the house. I have a gray water system that recycles "non-soiled" water to feed the plants and fruit trees in the yard. I do have to drive, for my job, but I try to schedule things to minimize distances. I consume around 10 gallons of petrol every other week. The island is mountainous and it is difficult to conserve fuel with all the ups and downs. On the bright side, there isn't a road long enough or straight enough to get over 65kph (~40mph), so slow driving helps conserve fuel.

Cost of living is pretty expensive. Gas is around $4.00/gal, an average house electric bill is in the $250/mo range (an average US house would consume around $500/mo here in power), last time I was in Wendy's a #1 combo was close to $7.00 (no idea what they run in the US), rent for a nice 2-bedroom apartment is around $1200/mo or more. On the cheap side, rent can be as low as $500/mo for a single room efficiency. A clunker car that would be considered totaled in the US will sell for at least $2000 here. A liter of good rum is around $3.00 and I've seen signs advertising a carton of cigarettes for less than $20.

> There is so much crap plugged into my walls going all the time, sometimes it really blows my mind.

I've got a computer that stays on 24/7 (to keep the salt from eating it alive), a refrigerator that I keep on the warmest setting, a 5-gal hot water heater that I keep on luke-warm setting, a clock, and microwave complete the list of power consuming devices. The stove is propane. In the summer I run a fan; that raises my power bill by $25/mo. Oh, the water pump is electric as well. I seldom have lights on, but when I do, they are low power florescent bulbs.

On the bright side, while people in the states were shoveling snow this afternoon, I was at the beach drinking a rum and coke, watching the stupid tourists swim in the freezing ocean. (77F is freezing when you are used to 86F)

Getting back on topic... the above lifestyle that I live is why I get so pissy when Al 'I invented the Internet and Global Warming' Gore decides to tell me how I need to conserve... all the while, he is flying around in a private jet that consumes more fuel per hour than I use per year and has a house that consumes more power in one month than I do in five years (or more). Oh, and I saw him with a styrofoam cup at some global warming event last year (on the news); that pretty much sealed it for me. (The news story was about something else. He just happened to be in frame.)


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7997281 - 02/08/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Off-Topic: Does all your water come from collected rain? Do you still have water running to your house or are you "off the grid" in terms of water.

On-Topic: It pisses me off to no end that Gore has somehow bullied his way into being some sort of a spokesperson for environmentalism. He is an opportunist politician, and a fat, lazy smarmy bastard at that. He sets us back a long way with his sensationalism that only pushes people away from giving serious consideration to alternative energy sources. He is all politics and sensationalism and partisanry, and lacks any of the scientific or economic knowledge of what he is preaching.

There need to be less idiots and celebraties telling everyone to "go green," and more scientists, engineers, consultants and construction workers showing people how to supply their own renewable and cheap energy.


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7997357 - 02/08/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> Do you still have water running to your house or are you "off the grid" in terms of water.

Completely off the grid. There are parts of the island that have "city water", but only around the downtown area and only at the lower elevations. I can store around 15000 gallons and collect around 1000 gallons per inch of rain. Quick showers, low flow faucets, low flow toilet, etc. I also buy bottled water (5 gallon containers) for drinking. As I said before, water (except from the toilet) is sent out to the yard to water flowers and trees, so we recycle a bit as well.

> showing people how to supply their own renewable and cheap energy.

There is no profit in renewable energy, thus you will never see it become a reality while the existing energy companies are in control. The push towards nuclear is the alternative that the energy companies are providing. Unfortunately, nuclear energy is very dirty, the pollution lasts forever (from a human lifetime standpoint), and nuclear plants have a short lifespan of 30 years before they are unusable and have to be retired for the next couple hundred thousand years. (My use of nuclear in this context is fission based)


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7998510 - 02/08/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How is there no profit in renewable energy?

This seems absolutely ludicrous.

Power companies pay for oil, they pay for the infrastructure to transport and burn this oil. Then they produce electricity and sell it.

If a company builds a wind turbine, they pay for upkeep for that turbine and sell the resultant electricity.

Both business plans are comparable.

Where is the magical profit-sucker-upper that prevents a company from making money on renewable energy?


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7998592 - 02/08/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey so how much money you make a month then sauss?


wind turbines are bird eaters thow, and they only produce energy when the wind is blowing

oil is a money maker because you can suck what is it 250million barrels a day? $86 a barrel = alot

alcohol = land + machery + lots of repairs + lots of water THEN you have to ferment + filter + distill and i just recently learned alcohol is actually worse than oil!


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7998601 - 02/08/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All I am saying is there are profits to be had in both.


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7999118 - 02/09/08 04:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> How is there no profit in renewable energy?

In general, energy demand is almost unlimited while currently, energy supply is strictly controlled by the companies that own the natural resources used to produce energy. Unlimited demand with limited supply results in massive profits; basic economics that even I can understand (I'm not very good with economics).

In general, renewable energy removes the constraints on supply. All of the sudden, anybody that wants to generate energy can do so. You don't have to be lucky and own an oil field or a coal mine. Anybody can put a solar panel on their home. The demand stays unlimited, but the supply is greatly increased, thus profits plummet.

However, when speaking of renewable energy, I tend to skip to the end of the list: fusion power. Once we have clean, unlimited power from fusion, the unlimited demand can be met with an unlimited supply and profits go to zero. Obviously, I am simplifying things a bit, as there will always be some profit, but it will be nowhere near what the energy companies are making today. The profits will come from moving power rather than creating power.


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7999625 - 02/09/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes it is more profitable for energy companies to supply power by burning coal, at this point, than using wind or water energy. Yet the economic incentive for people to supply their own power is getting more and more real. Biodiesel gas stations are saving consumers money while generating a healthy profit in certain localized small scale operations (one in my city sprang up over the last year, and despite problems with frozen mass, the owners are making a profit).


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Re: Gore on Energy Conservation [Re: Seuss]
    #7999650 - 02/09/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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> How is there no profit in renewable energy?

In general, energy demand is almost unlimited while currently, energy supply is strictly controlled by the companies that own the natural resources used to produce energy. Unlimited demand with limited supply results in massive profits; basic economics that even I can understand (I'm not very good with economics).

In general, renewable energy removes the constraints on supply. All of the sudden, anybody that wants to generate energy can do so. You don't have to be lucky and own an oil field or a coal mine. Anybody can put a solar panel on their home. The demand stays unlimited, but the supply is greatly increased, thus profits plummet.





I just don't buy this argument. Granted, I'm even less of an economist than you are. But I don't see how renewable energy all of a sudden turns every little "Dick & Jane" household in suburbia into a Wind-Farm. Sure, there may exist the possibility for farmers to put wind-turbines in their fields or the aforementioned suburbanites to put solar panels on their roof.

But this is America, Seuss. We are lazy almost by definition.

Saying that nobody would buy power from the power company is like saying that because we have sewing machines in our houses, nobody would buy clothes from Wal-Mart.

Of course people will still buy power. There will always be those, and I would say it is a VAST majority, who for whatever reason cannot use any of the renewable energy sources for their own needs and will need to import power.

Whether a power company is making this power from burning old Carbonifferous forests or from turning a bird-killing wind turbine makes not a lick of difference.


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