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casgoodie
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Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock?
#7993814 - 02/07/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've seen some people have used Pilosocereus, what about Stenocereus pruinosus?
*bonus question*: is KK 339 bunk? in what way? just a regular PC?
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: casgoodie]
#7993929 - 02/07/08 09:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think CPW has used Pilocereus.
Ask him...
Please show me a pic of KK339.
I know KK242 (correct #?) is a T. cuzcoensis and completely inactive.
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casgoodie
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7993946 - 02/07/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i can't find one. i have some seeds labelled kk339, there's a pic in trout's notes on pedro page 97
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: casgoodie]
#7993967 - 02/07/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pm me it please.
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plainswalker
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7993984 - 02/07/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are many KK(XXX) cacti, including many non-trichos.
There are also several different looking trichos under KK242.
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: plainswalker]
#7994019 - 02/07/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I was right about the number...
Haven't we figured out all KK242 are inactive tho?
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casgoodie
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: plainswalker]
#7994020 - 02/07/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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teotz: i dont have a scanner
plainswalker: so it could be anything? in trouts notes there is a pic of a pachanoi labelled kk 339 but came from a cutting, i have seeds. i'm guessing there's only one way to find out, in about 2 years
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: casgoodie]
#7994035 - 02/07/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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O, that sucks...
Edited by FarFromHere (02/07/08 09:44 PM)
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casgoodie
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7994054 - 02/07/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: casgoodie]
#7994340 - 02/07/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seeds labeled 339 are most likely 339. 339 is a form of pachanoi, so there you have it.
I was just talking to Teo about the 242. Although it's a good rule of thumb to avoid the spiny "242-looking" trichos because of the plethora of inactive confirmations, I have read a number of reports of them being active. They have at least once been analzyed for mescaline and proven active. Also, it is important to note Knize has put several different trich varieties under 242. Maybe one is active but the most common 242 is not. And then you have all these noobs buying a spiky tricho and it ends up being inactive and they come on these boards wondering why and somebody says, "Oh dude that's a 242!". They really have no clue whether it is or not, they didn't grow it from seed or buy a cutting from Knize, they just see spikes and read inactive and slap that label on it because they saw someone else make that assumption before them. It's a self-perpetuating ignorance in this community I believe. They don't know you can't tell the variety of a cactus species by sight, you have to be certain of its source to be certain of its identity. And then M.S. Smith theorizes that the spikey inactive cactus some people have found may be a species know as cuzcoensis and the whole community just accepted it as proven fact. So now you have everyone and their mother treating 242 and cuzcoensis as interchangable words. I mean, nobodys interchanging KK919 and bridgesii back and forth or KK339 and pachanoi or KK1668 and peruvianus. People say two different things over and over together and then they believe there's a connection, like Iraq and Al-Qaeda. 
From Knize's own site, here's what he calls KK242. Doesn't look too spikey to me. Looks nice.
I don't mean to sound anal, I'm just saying these plants don't live in a black and white world even though our many efforts to force them into one.
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: plainswalker]
#7994391 - 02/07/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good post dude!
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7994610 - 02/08/08 12:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stenocereus pruinosus is an excellent stock. i have been playing with it for about a year now and have to sya i am very pleased. i grafted one L. williamsii 4 months ago and it has gone from 4.5cm to 6.9 cm... and its winter. the only draw back is bigger specimens cost more than other stocks, here anyway.
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casgoodie
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: kadakuda]
#7994677 - 02/08/08 01:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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plainswalker: thanks for the long post. i was just wondering as i am only getting into strains of Trichocereus and uarewoteat said that 339 is bunk. i sowed them tonight along with some icaros dna peruvianus and terscheckii. i understand what you mean, identifying cacti is reeeally hard by phenotype only.
kadakuda: thanks for the good news, i got a couple of stenos today and a few pilos too. they're $1.50 for 2-3 inch cacti. i think i'll go and buy the rest at the store, they come around more often than myrtles where i am
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: casgoodie]
#7994926 - 02/08/08 05:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya some places they are kind of a myrtle replacement. i have not tried smaller ones for grafting, but will. the stock pictured is about 5 cm diameter and about 30 cm tall.
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Re: Stenocereus pruinosus and Pilosocereus azureus as grafting stock? [Re: kadakuda]
#7997083 - 02/08/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i just picked up a bunch of both species(more). i'll let them grow a little and try them out.
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