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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: flushme]
    #7134602 - 07/05/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7965186 - 02/01/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Aspen or Alder sawdust will work great, especially if it's course grade sawdust. Wood chips are optional, but use hardwood. You can even buy oak, birch, etc at the lumber yard and cut it up to use. It's expensive that way though, but it will grow mushrooms. Boil the wood chips in a pot for an hour or so to hydrate them, or soak for a day or two. Don't forget to supplement with oat, rice, or wheat bran. Use gypsum.
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i'm getting bags ready for sterilization tomorrow, and i'm confused about a few things... I want to do supplemented sawdust spawn, i've currently got alder sawdust/chips for smoking, i plan on going to my local co-cop to pick up some bran in a few hours, and i already have gypsum. You've already laid out how to hydrate the wood chips, but i have a few q's. if you could just point me to a supplemented wood block tek, that would be great, but if not, here goes....
Do i add gypsum to the wood soak, and if so, at what ratio to the wood?
do i hydrate the bran separately then add it? if so do i add gypsum to this as well?

basically, i just don't know the ratios of wood to bran to gypsum, and i don't know how to go about hydrating the whole thing as a mix that can go readily into my spawn bags...


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: SuchSmartMonkeys]
    #7965211 - 02/01/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

i havent read through this whole thread but here is what I do for the hardwood stuff. After i soak the chips I let them drain for a few minutes and then I add some bran at a rough 4:1 ratio. I just eyeball it. I mix it up while the chips are still a little too moist. The bran sucks up the excess water. I am not sure of the gypsum ratio but i am sure that tbs per 1/2 gallon jar will work just fine.

I am sure hybirdx/porx will disagree


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: tahoe]
    #7965216 - 02/01/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

check this thread and RR's suggestion for ratios
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7957288#Post7957288


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: tahoe]
    #7966850 - 02/01/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

it doesn't say how long to boil for....anyone? i saw in another post an hour?


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: SuchSmartMonkeys]
    #7967393 - 02/02/08 01:02 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

My Brf jars are ready to be moved to spawn bags as well. I was planning on soaking my chips overnight ,loading up my bags with wet chips ,sterilizing bags w/chips ,dumping Brf jars into bags of sterilized chips , sealing bags, carefully breaking up cakes to disperse mycelium through chips . Do these need the bran and gypsum added to the chips at this point?


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: atomicblue]
    #7967882 - 02/02/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I don't add the bran or gypsum to the chips, because it will just stick to the surface. Add the gypsum and bran to the dry sawdust, then hydrate and mix at a ratio of twice as much sawdust by volume as chips. Wheat bran and gypsum both work well at ten percent by volume. Depending on species, you can go up to 20% wheat bran to volume of sawdust, but don't go over that. If growing shiitake, use less, or you'll get lots of mutants and aborts.

Wood chips can be soaked for 24 hours or boiled for one hour to hydrate. I prefer boiling.
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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7982863 - 02/05/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

okay, as it is, i have about 20 cups of chips of about this consistency:


i just boiled them for an hour to hydrate.
I have about 13 cups of sawdust of this consistency:


they are both pure alder from the same bags, i just used a colander to sift out the dust from the chips...
I have 4 quart jars of shiitake spawn on rye that are ready to be spawned to fruiting sub.
I also have wheat bran, and just got a bag of gypsum to work with. i will be using these to hold the sub:
http://sporeworks.com/store/catalog/Medium-Presealable-Autoclavable-Gusseted-Bulk-Spawn-Bags-p-16249.html

I would like to make 9 to 12 bags if possible... what would be the suggested mix up of what materials i have to attain the best fruiting medium?


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: SuchSmartMonkeys]
    #7982934 - 02/05/08 02:45 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Add ten percent by volume each of gypsum and wheat bran to the sawdust. Mix well and use that mix two to one with your chips. Load bags and sterilize.
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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7983061 - 02/05/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

sorry....just re-read your post and got the answer to my main question....
i plan on mixing about 1.5 cups of each into the 13 cups of sawdust that i've got, then mixing that into about 8 cups of the chips, see how that does...


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: SuchSmartMonkeys]
    #7984446 - 02/05/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

bah, i messed up and put mixed in too much water.....now i'm just letting it drain out, i'm going to pack into bags and autoclave tomorrow.


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Re: hardwood chips and sawdust? [Re: SuchSmartMonkeys]
    #7991812 - 02/07/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

so i tried to let it drain a bit, then loaded it in the bags, and left it to sit in the bags overnight before i PC today, but there's a decent amount of water puddling at the bottoms of the bags still.... any suggestions for furher draining before i PC these things?

also, just looking for suggestions on how to PC these poly bags.... i know i don't want more water getting into them while they are PCing.....should i just fold the excess part of the bags real well, stick some paper clips on them and hope for the best?

edit: so i read a bit about it...sounds like maybe the best bet would be to stick in the regular tray, fill with water, then soak a towel and wrap the bags in that, then pitch that in?


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