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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
    #7993279 - 02/07/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I remember a great description of this process...the author (whose name escapes me at the moment) said that awareness was like a tightrope, and that the aim was not to walk the tightrope perfectly, but rather to notice when you were falling.  :sun:


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7993311 - 02/07/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it's definitely sunny now :smile:


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
    #7993343 - 02/07/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like the idea of incorporating failure into our expectations of reality, particularly when the failure is framed as results. The question is not really whether we have succeeded or failed, but whether our efforts produced the results we prefer. If not, we can change our efforts, if so, we can replicate our efforts. Eliminating judgment of this process frees up a great deal of energy.


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7993517 - 02/07/08 07:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just letting go of everything frees up a lot of energy :thumbup:


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
    #7993521 - 02/07/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed, but that might be an unrealistic goal. :wink:


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7993621 - 02/07/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

doesn't mean its a goal i shouldn't practise to achieve :laugh:


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
    #7993628 - 02/07/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, if your goal is to let go of everything, and you "fail" by only letting go of many things, you've still succeeded.  :grin:


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7993682 - 02/07/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

failure, success, what would one be without the other?


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
    #7994427 - 02/07/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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failure, success, what would one be without the other?




You wouldn't recognize either thats for sure


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* People do not progress by being questioned, they progress by questioning themselves.

* When ready for the answer, people will come to the question of themselves.


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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7999581 - 02/09/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"I agree that it is a process of becoming, as opposed to something one achieves & owns forever."

I love that quote, well put.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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    #8298587 - 04/17/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Since the dawn of human civilization, people have made complex social structures to preserve their way of life. Throughout history, what is moral and immoral changes, very often.

When can we stick to one set of postulates? Since we know that morality is subjective and changes about as often as the weather (minor exaggeration), when will we stop confining ourselves to evil paradigms? When others do things to try to change the evil paradigm, why do the rest put them down? Doesn't everybody realize that what we believe is just what our parents and society taught us? Why can't we let each other be free, why can't we leave each other alone? Why do we allow ourselves to be separated into competing groups, groups that have different ideals of morality, when it doesn't even matter what you believe in because you've just been basically brainwashed, conditioned, to believe it? Why have any strong-founded beliefs in anything? Are people so foolish as to think that they have it all right, even when they get proven wrong?

Why is sex and sexual desire such an important issue to people? What logic is behind any of the sexual morals today, and what logic is behind the sexual morals of the past? Is it even any logic at all, or is it all just based on the tradition that exists solely in the evil paradigm? They say we are rational beings, and I believe we are, but in an irrational manner. Those morals aren't morals, they're rules. Morals are rules.

In this, and I assume every other, society, there are legislative laws; rules that have to be followed no matter what, in order to preserve the stability of the given society. Then there are the other rules. Social "rules". Complex, subtle little rules that are not taught, but rather implicitly implied, through the observation of social behavior, and enforced by ridicule of those who do not follow. Technically, these rules to not have to be followed, but the consequences of not following those rules may be worse than that of breaking the law. Social ostracization, inherent prohibition from having sex, poverty, which all result in a severely insufficient amount of love, which everyone needs.

In other words, there is no such thing as freedom, no such thing at all. We behave as we ought to behave in order to not suffer consequences. There is no person that is free because we each fit a specific mold, a mold created by pre-school, elementary school, junior-high, high school, college, and the media. As a result of being used to being told exactly what to do, a dictatorship may be born.

These days, any dissidence can result in incarceration, whether is be peaceful or otherwise. Especially when you're young. If you don't fit the mold by the time you're in high school, something happens. Inherently, generally, if you don't fit the mold, you don't graduate. If you're not like the rest, they send you to Wilderness Camp (they actually do this where I live). If you've been using drugs, they send you to a "rehabilitation center", where they attempt to recondition you around peers your own age (I know, I went through it). And none of this is due to a direct act of legislation. There is no law that says that you have to follow a certain criteria.


In the end, we are just afraid.


Humans are disgraceful cowards.




Hey all, I just wanted to restart this thread to see if any new people, or even the same ones, want anything to further discuss the issue.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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