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Poid
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992864 - 02/07/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: If they can be discussed, they can and must be defined. If you cannot define it, then she can't know what you're talking about. And so with nothing to talk about, her non-response seems perfectly appropriate.
If things can be discussed, then they can and must be defined......if this were to be an argument. This isn't an argument. Nobody here was meant to be pressured to argue. If that is the case, then I wish to end this thread.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7992871 - 02/07/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread was in no way, shape, or form, of any kind, supposed to be, or intended as a debate or an argument.
Read the rules of this forum. Particularly the part that says:
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
The M&P Forum is where you should start threads on topics you do not want analyzed and critiqued.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992887 - 02/07/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said:On this point we agree, that it is BEST understood through experience, but that doesn't mean it can't be defined.
you missed my original point then (this goes for Veritas too), that for an average joe consumed by television and radio, he will have to do a lot more than receive a definition and process a thought to become free. although i could come up with a nice definition (which i refuse to just to prove my point), it will not resonate with a receiver who is so utterly consumed by television UNTIL they experience it for themselves.
until then, it is pointless to give a definition. ya feel me?
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Poid
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992896 - 02/07/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: This thread was in no way, shape, or form, of any kind, supposed to be, or intended as a debate or an argument.
Read the rules of this forum. Particularly the part that says:
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
The M&P Forum is where you should start threads on topics you do not want analyzed and critiqued.
Then consider this thread, which could've been a wonderful exchange of philisophical ideals, over. It was ruined by exactly what I said; that people just can't get along. I think my point NOW is quite clear, what do you all say?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
#7992911 - 02/07/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya feel me?
Nope. How can I when you refuse to tell me what it is we're discussing. I'm not jabbing at you. I'm serious. I cannot understand what you're talking about unless you tell me (define) what you're talking about.
Definitions are at the foundation of philosophy.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7992914 - 02/07/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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People are getting along fine....  I think all of the quote boxes in this thread are just making people a little uneasy....
>^;;^<
-------------------- I'll be your midnight French Fry.... "The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...." >^;;^<
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7992919 - 02/07/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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which could've been a wonderful exchange of philisophical ideals
You don't understand philosophy. Philosophy REQUIRES definitions and is ALL ABOUT debate. This is taught on day one of Philosophy 101.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7992924 - 02/07/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, you proved your original point 
this too will pass, as with what may appear to be conflict in this thread. i am high as fuck on 2cb today, and felt like going outside my box, and had some fun with it. it's not something i do on a regular basis 
(it's all in good fun, i hold nothing personal against these people and at many times hold similar and relating viewpoints)
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7992926 - 02/07/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Diploid said: This thread was in no way, shape, or form, of any kind, supposed to be, or intended as a debate or an argument.
Read the rules of this forum. Particularly the part that says:
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
The M&P Forum is where you should start threads on topics you do not want analyzed and critiqued.
Then consider this thread, which could've been a wonderful exchange of philisophical ideals, over. It was ruined by exactly what I said; that people just can't get along. I think my point NOW is quite clear, what do you all say?
People can disagree about philosophical topics and still get along...
Sometimes.
Other times they kill and torture each other.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992936 - 02/07/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: which could've been a wonderful exchange of philisophical ideals, over.
You don't understand philosophy. Philosophy REQUIRES definitions and is ALL ABOUT debate. This is taught on day one of Philosophy 101.
I ask that you stop assuming things of me.
I took Philosophy in college. I have the textbook still. While Philosophy may "REQUIRE" definitions and debate, I wasn't here to define or debate. What I didn't understand, or look into, were the specific rules of this forum, which by the way are limiting assertions of new possible definitions and limiting the scope of debate.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992942 - 02/07/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: ya feel me?
Nope. How can I when you refuse to tell me what it is we're discussing.
if you need me to tell you what it is i am trying to convey then you have missed my original point and for me to go on would be like talking to a wall. this all proves the point Poid originally made, it is quite funny in a way.
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MushmanTheManic said: Other times they kill and torture each other.
there is nothing wrong with death, as long as it is for life
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7992952 - 02/07/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What I didn't understand, or look into, were the specific rules of this forum
Alright, well now you do.
I hope you stick around though. This place can be rough on ideas, and if someone identifies personally with those ideas, this place can be rough on them too. But we're all friends here bound by a common interest in stumbling around looking for a Truth that may be impossible to find.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992956 - 02/07/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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here here
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Poid
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Diploid]
#7992983 - 02/07/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: What I didn't understand, or look into, were the specific rules of this forum
Alright, well now you do.
I hope you stick around though. This place can be rough on ideas, and if someone identifies personally with those ideas, this place can be rough on them too. But we're all friends here bound by a common interest in stumbling around looking for a Truth that may be impossible to find.
Am I your friend, Diploid?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
#7993006 - 02/07/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that for an average joe consumed by television and radio, he will have to do a lot more than receive a definition and process a thought to become free.
This is not about what one has to do to become free. What I asked you is what you meant by freedom. *sigh* You know enough about YOUR definition of freedom to claim that my definition was incorrect, yet you "refuse to just to prove my point." All I can say is
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Poid]
#7993040 - 02/07/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Am I your friend, Diploid?
Don't push it!
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
#7993170 - 02/07/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Veritas said:
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that for an average joe consumed by television and radio, he will have to do a lot more than receive a definition and process a thought to become free.
This is not about what one has to do to become free. What I asked you is what you meant by freedom. *sigh* You know enough about YOUR definition of freedom to claim that my definition was incorrect, yet you "refuse to just to prove my point." All I can say is
well you originally stated that "freedom is this", so i wanted to share an alternative viewpoint. i just like to think of freedom as a process rather than something static. or something that there is always more to attain. when you say "freedom is this", it gives others the impression that you think you are free. and i am saying that there is much more freedom we can wake up to, and this goes for all of us.
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: deranger]
#7993198 - 02/07/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that it is a process of becoming, as opposed to something one achieves & owns forever. The freedom I posted about was found in our moment-to-moment choices about how we respond to our experiences. The amount of freedom we allow ourselves in those choices can vary from situation to situation, or even from hour to hour. I may allow myself more freedom when I feel great than I do when my back is hurting, or less freedom when I am engaging in worry than I do when I am preoccupied with joy.
Do you see the process as something we improve upon by learning from our experiences?
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Re: Society/Culture [Re: Veritas]
#7993247 - 02/07/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you see the process as something we improve upon by learning from our experiences?
absolutely. i also find that paying attention to the process is of great value, like meditation.
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