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InvisibleIcelander
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Brass tacks
    #7990899 - 02/07/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think we spend most of our lives BSing ourselves.

I got this quote from a diary of a man stranded in a rubber life raft for 76 days at sea.

" I have tried to save my energy, but the thoughts that bounce around in my brain are wearing me down. I'm too aware of how full of cliches my thoughts seem to be, the cliches one would expect of from a struggling survivor. There are the promises to the cosmos that if only I am let out of this mess, I'll surely be good from now on. There are the constant dreams of food and drink, the aching loneliness, the fear. How I would like to take command of my situation, to entertain myself with enlightened thought, to heroically forget pain and fear, to keep control. Perhaps that kind of heroism exists only in novels. If there is any enlightenment that I have been awakened to, it is that men's minds are dominated by their little aches and pains. We want to think we are more than that, that we control our lives with our intellect, But now, without civilization clouding the issue, I wonder to what extent intellect is controlled by instinct and culture is the result of raw gut reactions to life."

Maybe we are all just struggling survivors.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7990904 - 02/07/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's a lot to think about in there.  Thanks for this post. :thumbup:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7990909 - 02/07/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe.
But some seem to enjoy themselves more than others. Which makes me think that there's room for even more of it. Case in which I think that in many cases enjoying one's current condition = freedom.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7990914 - 02/07/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do we think our thoughts or do they think us?


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Orbus]
    #7991005 - 02/07/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Your sig and that picture above it are awesome... I know that face is from Shpongle but where did you get that pic?

But yeah, I think we BS ourselves all the time. It's part of being human. A lot of it is culturally programmed too. It makes me wonder how much we should be BSing ourselves and how much we should search for hard truth.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7991006 - 02/07/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah maybe. The conditions we find ourselves in may dictate much of how think we feel. While no two people would react to the same event in the same way this is not my focus here. What I'm challenging is the way we seem to think we know ourselves and what we think when things are at a lull or an easy enough pace. But put on some real pressure and we start to really reveal our truth. In survival situations I think most of us would drop our commitment to many things we tell ourselves we could never contemplate.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Plok]
    #7991012 - 02/07/08 10:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It makes me wonder how much we should be BSing ourselves and how much we should search for hard truth.

Through my debate on these boards I have come to a pretty firm conclusion that hard truth is mostly or all myth. Things we tell ourselves so we don't have to face the uncertainty or life.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7991057 - 02/07/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

soft, formless, translucent bubbly truth is where it's at :bigblunt:

it is not something you could hold with your hands or touch with your finger.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: deranger]
    #7991670 - 02/07/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And this means that you can't handle things straight up?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7992318 - 02/07/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The individuals account for society.
The individuals are those making choices, society doesn't.
(My interpretation)


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7992411 - 02/07/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
And this means that you can't handle things straight up?




that is not what i meant at all.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Plok]
    #7992453 - 02/07/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Plok said:
Your sig and that picture above it are awesome... I know that face is from Shpongle but where did you get that pic?





Homemade paper mache:cool: thats me holding it up


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Orbus]
    #7992458 - 02/07/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That looks awesome! :tripping:


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Orbus]
    #7992758 - 02/07/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wow man, time to put my creativity to work :thumbup:


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7992789 - 02/07/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As the Subgenius Dr. Hal says, rationalization is more important than food. You can go three days without food, but it is hard to go for more than three minutes without telling yourself some pleasant little lie.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7992831 - 02/07/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

3:10 to yuma spoiler alert **************






so, maybe this is a little off topic, but I watched this movie last night without any preconceived ideas or knowing anything about the movie.
The entire time, i was waiting for Christian Bale to drop a barrel of ass whoopin on everyone, but it never happened, in fact, the opposite happened.
It wasnt about an everyday Joe that rose to meet a heroic destiny... it showed the thin line between ethical and cowardice, and showed the great divide between morality and survival.
I think the movie made a very good point about how you can choose to either keep going on with your life living vicariously through the person you think you are, or face reality.... and it seems that it takes a life threatening situation to make one come to that fork in the road.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: deranger]
    #7992908 - 02/07/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

SyntheticMInd said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
And this means that you can't handle things straight up?




that is not what i meant at all.




and this is not to say that i don't accept that everything i project is an illusion.


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: deranger]
    #7995472 - 02/08/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

SyntheticMInd said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
And this means that you can't handle things straight up?




that is not what i meant at all.




I think it is. Especially since you aren't saying what you did mean.:monkeydance:


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Re: Brass tacks [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7995480 - 02/08/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
As the Subgenius Dr. Hal says, rationalization is more important than food. You can go three days without food, but it is hard to go for more than three minutes without telling yourself some pleasant little lie.




Quite right. We might be able to go without air longer than we can avoid lying to ourselves in some fashion.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Brass tacks [Re: Icelander]
    #7996419 - 02/08/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what i meant was i enjoy silence over language.  this isn't saying i don't often endulge in and find myself consumed by language :laugh:

often times i find our current language is a barrier to breakthrough.


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