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a rough experience......
    #7989731 - 02/06/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i've noticed that mescaline lasts way too long, and it goes in and out and in and out and in and out, is there something you could do to shorten the amount of time you feel mescaline? taking an maoi before you take it, so you take a much lower dose for example? OR... is there something that helps your body metabolize it faster so it lasts a lot shorter, and you could take a lot more, that shit's been known to hit me for 3 days with effects lasting on and off up to 4 or 5 days and shit, but I LOVE THE TRIP! aside from the fact that it gives me way too much energy and i sort of feel a rolling feeling but not as euphoric, i'd say it's one of the nicest experiences i've ever had, just lasts way too damn long. thanks........
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7989854 - 02/06/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well you could , try valium or xanax or any thing that might put you to sleep .
I personally like the long trip since I cant get any CID . I miss the long trip,


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: ant61]
    #7989905 - 02/06/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I love mescaline too.

Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...

You may be suprised.


You could stay up all night and then take it in the morning, trip all day and then take some downers like valrain, lotus and melatonin that night and sleep the rest off.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7990037 - 02/07/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Smoking some green on the day after a mescal trip always helped me with this problem for some reason. it's definitely a nice trip though, even considering the length.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: twoism]
    #7990060 - 02/07/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

actually, only done the cactus, never pure mescaline. WHy, is the cactus better?

i heard something once that said that a real good psychedelic has precursor molecules that add along in your body when you metabolize the psychedelic, giving you a smoother trip or something. I guess that'd explain why mushrooms and mescaline always seem to go in and out so easy. I don't know, it's not like that with hawaiian baby woodrose though, i'll tell you that. But there was a plant that produced lsd i wonder what that'd be like.

umm, i don't know. i meant something that would actually smooth out the mescaline in your system, something that'd help your body metabolize it better. Don't know if such a thing exists.

also, don't know about melatonin, you think that'd help? i already get a groggyish feeling from mescaline in my body, you another chemical that made me groggy would help? alright...
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7990987 - 02/07/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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FarFromHere said:
Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...





Have you ever tried pure mescaline?
Why do you think the effects from the syrup is different or more to his liking?
I'd like to find out why your perception is so off.
Though, I suspect it is from simple inexperience.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7992212 - 02/07/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i don't know, they're not that different? you'd think they would be, because there's other things in the cactus that get you high besides the mescaline i think(although i'm not sure about this)


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7992315 - 02/07/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, they're not that different, really. Maybe slightl becuase you don't go through the trauma of the big gulp, the stomach churns, or eventual (possible) Hershey squirts.

Unless you purify your extraction, you get all of the alkaloids- not just mescaline. If there are other alkaloids that flavor the trip, then they are in there. You get all of the goods, and none of the bads.

For a medium-length trip, take 1/2 dose of mescaline, 2 hours later, take 1/2 dose of mushrooms. The peak is longer than mushrooms, but not as long as mescaline.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7992581 - 02/07/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would recommend dosing cactus early in the day because it does last a way long time.

After you have had enough xanax or valium is the best to cool things down. If not that small amounts of alcohol can help (DO NOT overdo it, while your any psychedelic drugs it seams like you can take large amounts of alcohol with out feeling drunk... you will still get sick). Marijuana can help or make it worse some times.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7992665 - 02/07/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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FarFromHere said:
Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...





Have you ever tried pure mescaline?
Why do you think the effects from the syrup is different or more to his liking?
I'd like to find out why your perception is so off.
Though, I suspect it is from simple inexperience.



there are other phenethylamines in san pedro ,mescaline analouges, dont know there names but do the research.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7992681 - 02/07/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Unless you purify your extraction, you get all of the alkaloids- not just mescaline.




Your right.

I was comparing pure mescaline to cactus.


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there are other phenethylamines in san pedro ,mescaline analouges, dont know there names but do the research.




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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7992724 - 02/07/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah pure mescaline is likely to have a shorter duration than cactus/crude extract. I dunno what the OP's on about, 3 days? How much do you take? The closest i've tried to mescaline is TMA, which is harder to metabolise, though i don't think that makes it last longer than mescaline. It always lasted about 12 hrs or less up to 200mg, which i guess would be roughly equivalent to 350mg of mescaline.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7994666 - 02/08/08 01:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well, i don't know. Many people have said this to me, they don't understand the 3 day thing. Anyway, that shit lasts a long time to me, the shortest experience i had was a good 24 hours total, i think the last feeling i had was at the hour before i took it the next day, and it was a pretty mild experience, doesn't really make sense to me. anyway......

no one really answered my question, an maoi will increase a trip, there's nothing that helps your body metabolize a psychedelic? NOTHING? NOTHING? alright......


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7994705 - 02/08/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe I heard maoi's are very dangerous with phenethylamine's. I'm pulling this completely from memory, so don't patronize me if it's not true. :emocry:


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7995058 - 02/08/08 07:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think i've seen a couple of reports of mescaline with an MAOI. Anyway it's not going to help you, look at what they do to shrooms, can last 8-10 hours rather than 4-6!

That sucks for you, like you said it feels really good. The only thing i can think of that might help is to take pure mescaline instead (extract, recrystallise a couple of times). For most people where the trip lasts say 12-18 hours, you could probably expect to take a few hours off that way. It doesn't sound like that's going to be enough for you though.

What were you still feeling after say 18 hours? Was the peak very strong? Have you ever taken any other phens, like 2cb, mdma?


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7995189 - 02/08/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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awesomebastard said:
Quote:

04281969 said:
Quote:

FarFromHere said:
Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...





Have you ever tried pure mescaline?
Why do you think the effects from the syrup is different or more to his liking?
I'd like to find out why your perception is so off.
Though, I suspect it is from simple inexperience.



there are other phenethylamines in san pedro ,mescaline analouges, dont know there names but do the research.




Okay, PT contains:
mescaline, 2-chloromescaline, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-5-dimethoxyphenethylamine

Now, please tell me what does not get extracted.
Do the research.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7995205 - 02/08/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you know how much of the other stuff it contains? If its >75% mescaline it should be possible to get rid of the other stuff by recrystallisation of the crude extract.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7995291 - 02/08/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Absolutely. As it originally salts out, it is the same proportion of alkaloids as found in the cactus. There are methods of purification out there involving acetone and activated charcoal, but I don't bother with it. I don't feel that I'm wasting that much (if any) space in the capsule with extra material.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7995361 - 02/08/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sure but for the OP it might be a way to reduce the duration a bit. Would also be interesting to compare the difference between pure and crude, i wouldn't bother with activated charcoal though, for trying to remove other alkaloids anyway, it'll probably remove some other impurities though. I expect they're all pretty much insoluble in acetone too.

I'd recrystallise it a couple of times by dissolving in minimum amount of ethanol/isopropanol and adding acetone until it just starts to crystallise or goes cloudy. Too much acetone will just precipitate everything.


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    #7995429 - 02/08/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The method I've read about involves dissolving the crystals in acetone, then straining through tightly packed cotton at the bottom of a funnel, and using cold water to reclaim the purified mescaline. I'd have to go over it again, becuase I don't remember the specifics.

I am interested in learning more about the iso/acetone method.
You're suggesting dissolving in just enough isopropyl, then adding just enough acetone, which would ride on top. Then, when the bottom isopropyl layer gets a little cloudy, separate, and evaporate the alcohol? Is that basically it?

Why does the mescaline precipitate out while other alkaloids remain suspended? How much loss of mescaline is there? Is it worth it?


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7995632 - 02/08/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Mescaline and the other alkaloids should be insoluble in acetone, just found this on mycotopia that says to wash the crude extract with acetone, leaving mescaline and other alkaloids in the filter paper.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/mescaline-cacti-succulents/7933-mescaline-extraction-tek.html

This is worth doing first, to remove any other crap that may be in there. I wouldn't bother washing the mescaline through with water though, just scrape it off the filter and save evaporating a load of water!

For the recrystallisation, the alkaloids will dissolve in alcohol but not in acetone. So you dissolve it in the minimum amount of boiling alcohol necessary then slowly add acetone until it just goes cloudy (because you're decreasing its solubility by adding a solvent that it isn't soluble in). Add a tiny bit more alcohol to clear it up again, seal it up (to keep out water) and leave it to cool, in a freezer maybe.

It works because say 60% is mescaline and the rest made up of 8 other alkaloids at 5% each, so the concentration of mescaline is about 10 times higher then any other alkaloid. The mescaline is more likely to crystallise, while the others, being present in low concentration, stay in solution.

Check this for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrystallization

The loss of mescaline depends on how pure it is to start with, less pure means repeating the crystallisation more times, which means more loss. If you start with 75% mescaline, say, the first crystallisation might get it up to 85%, a second 95% and a third basically 100%. If it is about 90% to start though a single recrystallisation should get close to 100%.

As for weather it's worth it, i don't know. If i ever extracted mescaline i'd try it, if only to see what difference it makes.

Edit: It may be better to make the sulphate salt and crystallise it from water, it's apparently nearly insoluble in ice cold water and it forms better (bigger) crystals so is likely to work better.

Check:
http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=11198

Skip to the last paragraph of the section "Extracting pure mescaline..." You can wash with acetone first as an alternative to activated carbon. You can also alternate between in the fridge and room temperature several times to get bigger crystals of higher purity. Warming it up slightly allows the smaller crystals to dissolve, so when you cool it back down the mesc. will build up on the crystals that are already there.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7997956 - 02/08/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what turned all this into a mescaline extraction conversation? isn't there another post on the board right now involving all that?

anyway, i'm glad someone mentioned that taking an maoi can be dangerous with a phenylethylamine. I didn't know that.

anyway, what i was asking was if there was something that was the opposite of an maoi, something that raised your tolerance to psychedelics, or something that lowered the time it hit you, i don't know, so you could do a bunch of mescaline and not feel it for 3 years.

anyway, someone was asking if had done other phenyethylamines, yeah, i've done 2cb, didn't like it a bit, and mdma-who hasn't? guess it seemed phenethylaminish, seemed way more like really mellow euphoric amphetamine type shit to me. like i felt fried afterwords, but rolling at the time, not necessarily my favorite drug, sometimes i think it's cleaner than other times. Oh well, hey

somone was asking about the peak i had on mescaline, i always peaked way after 12 hours, don't ask why, and felt the flowing steady hard and coming down from the second to third day, not many people say it hits them that long, funny, huh? oh well
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7998893 - 02/09/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just trying to help you get a shorter trip from refined mescaline.


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    #7999392 - 02/09/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah the only other thing that might help is benzos, or 5ht2a antagonist antipsychotics, but you probably don't wanna go that route!


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7999497 - 02/09/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If Pedros or Peyotes contain Tyramine.. i dunno just copying someone up there ^^^'s research... then DEFINITELY don't take it with an maoi, as it could be fatal.

Trichocereus Bridgessi (Lageniformis) i think has hordenine, a purported maoi-a (or is it b?) that may well be responsible for the added oomph of that particular cactus. A friend of mine has taken a huge dose of this cactus and has never really recovered, with what appears to be some kind of permanent maoi action, where eating high tyramine content food would give intense headaches and taking drugs would be too intense as a general rule.

so be very careful is all I can say. At the same time so many people eat bridgessi and talk it up as a super fast growing super potent cactus, with no ill-effects. so I dunno.


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