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jizmaster

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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
#7995632 - 02/08/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mescaline and the other alkaloids should be insoluble in acetone, just found this on mycotopia that says to wash the crude extract with acetone, leaving mescaline and other alkaloids in the filter paper.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/mescaline-cacti-succulents/7933-mescaline-extraction-tek.html
This is worth doing first, to remove any other crap that may be in there. I wouldn't bother washing the mescaline through with water though, just scrape it off the filter and save evaporating a load of water!
For the recrystallisation, the alkaloids will dissolve in alcohol but not in acetone. So you dissolve it in the minimum amount of boiling alcohol necessary then slowly add acetone until it just goes cloudy (because you're decreasing its solubility by adding a solvent that it isn't soluble in). Add a tiny bit more alcohol to clear it up again, seal it up (to keep out water) and leave it to cool, in a freezer maybe.
It works because say 60% is mescaline and the rest made up of 8 other alkaloids at 5% each, so the concentration of mescaline is about 10 times higher then any other alkaloid. The mescaline is more likely to crystallise, while the others, being present in low concentration, stay in solution.
Check this for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrystallization
The loss of mescaline depends on how pure it is to start with, less pure means repeating the crystallisation more times, which means more loss. If you start with 75% mescaline, say, the first crystallisation might get it up to 85%, a second 95% and a third basically 100%. If it is about 90% to start though a single recrystallisation should get close to 100%.
As for weather it's worth it, i don't know. If i ever extracted mescaline i'd try it, if only to see what difference it makes.
Edit: It may be better to make the sulphate salt and crystallise it from water, it's apparently nearly insoluble in ice cold water and it forms better (bigger) crystals so is likely to work better.
Check: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=11198
Skip to the last paragraph of the section "Extracting pure mescaline..." You can wash with acetone first as an alternative to activated carbon. You can also alternate between in the fridge and room temperature several times to get bigger crystals of higher purity. Warming it up slightly allows the smaller crystals to dissolve, so when you cool it back down the mesc. will build up on the crystals that are already there.
Edited by jizmaster (02/08/08 10:41 AM)
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imachavel
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
#7997956 - 02/08/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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what turned all this into a mescaline extraction conversation? isn't there another post on the board right now involving all that?
anyway, i'm glad someone mentioned that taking an maoi can be dangerous with a phenylethylamine. I didn't know that.
anyway, what i was asking was if there was something that was the opposite of an maoi, something that raised your tolerance to psychedelics, or something that lowered the time it hit you, i don't know, so you could do a bunch of mescaline and not feel it for 3 years.
anyway, someone was asking if had done other phenyethylamines, yeah, i've done 2cb, didn't like it a bit, and mdma-who hasn't? guess it seemed phenethylaminish, seemed way more like really mellow euphoric amphetamine type shit to me. like i felt fried afterwords, but rolling at the time, not necessarily my favorite drug, sometimes i think it's cleaner than other times. Oh well, hey
somone was asking about the peak i had on mescaline, i always peaked way after 12 hours, don't ask why, and felt the flowing steady hard and coming down from the second to third day, not many people say it hits them that long, funny, huh? oh well peace
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
#7998893 - 02/09/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just trying to help you get a shorter trip from refined mescaline.
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jizmaster

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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
#7999392 - 02/09/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah the only other thing that might help is benzos, or 5ht2a antagonist antipsychotics, but you probably don't wanna go that route!
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
#7999497 - 02/09/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If Pedros or Peyotes contain Tyramine.. i dunno just copying someone up there ^^^'s research... then DEFINITELY don't take it with an maoi, as it could be fatal.
Trichocereus Bridgessi (Lageniformis) i think has hordenine, a purported maoi-a (or is it b?) that may well be responsible for the added oomph of that particular cactus. A friend of mine has taken a huge dose of this cactus and has never really recovered, with what appears to be some kind of permanent maoi action, where eating high tyramine content food would give intense headaches and taking drugs would be too intense as a general rule.
so be very careful is all I can say. At the same time so many people eat bridgessi and talk it up as a super fast growing super potent cactus, with no ill-effects. so I dunno.
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