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a rough experience......
    #7989731 - 02/06/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i've noticed that mescaline lasts way too long, and it goes in and out and in and out and in and out, is there something you could do to shorten the amount of time you feel mescaline? taking an maoi before you take it, so you take a much lower dose for example? OR... is there something that helps your body metabolize it faster so it lasts a lot shorter, and you could take a lot more, that shit's been known to hit me for 3 days with effects lasting on and off up to 4 or 5 days and shit, but I LOVE THE TRIP! aside from the fact that it gives me way too much energy and i sort of feel a rolling feeling but not as euphoric, i'd say it's one of the nicest experiences i've ever had, just lasts way too damn long. thanks........
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7989854 - 02/06/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well you could , try valium or xanax or any thing that might put you to sleep .
I personally like the long trip since I cant get any CID . I miss the long trip,


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: ant61]
    #7989905 - 02/06/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I love mescaline too.

Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...

You may be suprised.


You could stay up all night and then take it in the morning, trip all day and then take some downers like valrain, lotus and melatonin that night and sleep the rest off.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7990037 - 02/07/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Smoking some green on the day after a mescal trip always helped me with this problem for some reason. it's definitely a nice trip though, even considering the length.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: twoism]
    #7990060 - 02/07/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

actually, only done the cactus, never pure mescaline. WHy, is the cactus better?

i heard something once that said that a real good psychedelic has precursor molecules that add along in your body when you metabolize the psychedelic, giving you a smoother trip or something. I guess that'd explain why mushrooms and mescaline always seem to go in and out so easy. I don't know, it's not like that with hawaiian baby woodrose though, i'll tell you that. But there was a plant that produced lsd i wonder what that'd be like.

umm, i don't know. i meant something that would actually smooth out the mescaline in your system, something that'd help your body metabolize it better. Don't know if such a thing exists.

also, don't know about melatonin, you think that'd help? i already get a groggyish feeling from mescaline in my body, you another chemical that made me groggy would help? alright...
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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7990987 - 02/07/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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FarFromHere said:
Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...





Have you ever tried pure mescaline?
Why do you think the effects from the syrup is different or more to his liking?
I'd like to find out why your perception is so off.
Though, I suspect it is from simple inexperience.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7992212 - 02/07/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i don't know, they're not that different? you'd think they would be, because there's other things in the cactus that get you high besides the mescaline i think(although i'm not sure about this)


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7992315 - 02/07/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, they're not that different, really. Maybe slightl becuase you don't go through the trauma of the big gulp, the stomach churns, or eventual (possible) Hershey squirts.

Unless you purify your extraction, you get all of the alkaloids- not just mescaline. If there are other alkaloids that flavor the trip, then they are in there. You get all of the goods, and none of the bads.

For a medium-length trip, take 1/2 dose of mescaline, 2 hours later, take 1/2 dose of mushrooms. The peak is longer than mushrooms, but not as long as mescaline.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7992581 - 02/07/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would recommend dosing cactus early in the day because it does last a way long time.

After you have had enough xanax or valium is the best to cool things down. If not that small amounts of alcohol can help (DO NOT overdo it, while your any psychedelic drugs it seams like you can take large amounts of alcohol with out feeling drunk... you will still get sick). Marijuana can help or make it worse some times.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7992665 - 02/07/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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04281969 said:
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FarFromHere said:
Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...





Have you ever tried pure mescaline?
Why do you think the effects from the syrup is different or more to his liking?
I'd like to find out why your perception is so off.
Though, I suspect it is from simple inexperience.



there are other phenethylamines in san pedro ,mescaline analouges, dont know there names but do the research.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7992681 - 02/07/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Unless you purify your extraction, you get all of the alkaloids- not just mescaline.




Your right.

I was comparing pure mescaline to cactus.


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there are other phenethylamines in san pedro ,mescaline analouges, dont know there names but do the research.




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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7992724 - 02/07/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah pure mescaline is likely to have a shorter duration than cactus/crude extract. I dunno what the OP's on about, 3 days? How much do you take? The closest i've tried to mescaline is TMA, which is harder to metabolise, though i don't think that makes it last longer than mescaline. It always lasted about 12 hrs or less up to 200mg, which i guess would be roughly equivalent to 350mg of mescaline.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7994666 - 02/08/08 01:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well, i don't know. Many people have said this to me, they don't understand the 3 day thing. Anyway, that shit lasts a long time to me, the shortest experience i had was a good 24 hours total, i think the last feeling i had was at the hour before i took it the next day, and it was a pretty mild experience, doesn't really make sense to me. anyway......

no one really answered my question, an maoi will increase a trip, there's nothing that helps your body metabolize a psychedelic? NOTHING? NOTHING? alright......


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: imachavel]
    #7994705 - 02/08/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe I heard maoi's are very dangerous with phenethylamine's. I'm pulling this completely from memory, so don't patronize me if it's not true. :emocry:


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7995058 - 02/08/08 07:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think i've seen a couple of reports of mescaline with an MAOI. Anyway it's not going to help you, look at what they do to shrooms, can last 8-10 hours rather than 4-6!

That sucks for you, like you said it feels really good. The only thing i can think of that might help is to take pure mescaline instead (extract, recrystallise a couple of times). For most people where the trip lasts say 12-18 hours, you could probably expect to take a few hours off that way. It doesn't sound like that's going to be enough for you though.

What were you still feeling after say 18 hours? Was the peak very strong? Have you ever taken any other phens, like 2cb, mdma?


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7995189 - 02/08/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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awesomebastard said:
Quote:

04281969 said:
Quote:

FarFromHere said:
Are you talking about cactus...or pure mescaline?

If you've only done pure mescaline, please try cactus...





Have you ever tried pure mescaline?
Why do you think the effects from the syrup is different or more to his liking?
I'd like to find out why your perception is so off.
Though, I suspect it is from simple inexperience.



there are other phenethylamines in san pedro ,mescaline analouges, dont know there names but do the research.




Okay, PT contains:
mescaline, 2-chloromescaline, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-5-dimethoxyphenethylamine

Now, please tell me what does not get extracted.
Do the research.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7995205 - 02/08/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you know how much of the other stuff it contains? If its >75% mescaline it should be possible to get rid of the other stuff by recrystallisation of the crude extract.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7995291 - 02/08/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Absolutely. As it originally salts out, it is the same proportion of alkaloids as found in the cactus. There are methods of purification out there involving acetone and activated charcoal, but I don't bother with it. I don't feel that I'm wasting that much (if any) space in the capsule with extra material.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: 04281969]
    #7995361 - 02/08/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sure but for the OP it might be a way to reduce the duration a bit. Would also be interesting to compare the difference between pure and crude, i wouldn't bother with activated charcoal though, for trying to remove other alkaloids anyway, it'll probably remove some other impurities though. I expect they're all pretty much insoluble in acetone too.

I'd recrystallise it a couple of times by dissolving in minimum amount of ethanol/isopropanol and adding acetone until it just starts to crystallise or goes cloudy. Too much acetone will just precipitate everything.


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Re: a rough experience...... [Re: jizmaster]
    #7995429 - 02/08/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The method I've read about involves dissolving the crystals in acetone, then straining through tightly packed cotton at the bottom of a funnel, and using cold water to reclaim the purified mescaline. I'd have to go over it again, becuase I don't remember the specifics.

I am interested in learning more about the iso/acetone method.
You're suggesting dissolving in just enough isopropyl, then adding just enough acetone, which would ride on top. Then, when the bottom isopropyl layer gets a little cloudy, separate, and evaporate the alcohol? Is that basically it?

Why does the mescaline precipitate out while other alkaloids remain suspended? How much loss of mescaline is there? Is it worth it?


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