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    #7989558 - 02/06/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7989745 - 02/06/08 11:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like a nice setup... How would you have got the water content on the WBS off?.. You using Doc's tek?

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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #7989789 - 02/06/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I didnt soak, just simmered.

I have seed soaking now, plan on Pc'n at about 4 am so by the time I get off work tomorrow night I can noc em up.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #7989791 - 02/06/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Very nice set up! A couple of things.....Is your perlite already hydrated? Also, I would recommend you dropping the ambient temp about 5 degrees or more.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7989804 - 02/06/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I never soak over night.. maybe I'm just lucky.. but I just simmer mine for 30-40 minutes, drain well, fill up my pints and PC em..8+ hours later I noc them up.. :smile:


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7989806 - 02/06/08 11:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Very nice set up! A couple of things.....Is your perlite already hydrated? Also, I would recommend you dropping the ambient temp about 5 degrees or more.




Yeah..hydrated..

if I don't run the Hue the ambient stays about 27-33% for a couple days


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #7989816 - 02/06/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I never soak over night.. maybe I'm just lucky.. but I just simmer mine for 30-40 minutes, drain well, fill up my pints and PC em..8+ hours later I noc them up.. :smile:




This was my first try at WBS obv.. shit that brf is my 1st jar ever, so we'll see.

The wbs jars have no "puddles" I can see slight moisture on the sides, its very slight and not very widely spread. The seeds are almost twice as large as dried seeds and that's what worries me. Also, one jar has a small tic-tac sized white spec on bottom of jar, stuck, I don't know but I bet someone will say it might be yeast in the days to come...


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #7989847 - 02/06/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I never soak over night.. maybe I'm just lucky.. but I just simmer mine for 30-40 minutes, drain well, fill up my pints and PC em..8+ hours later I noc them up.. :smile:




My brf jars showed myc at 5 days, I bought from sporeworks, used pe on brf jars and equador on wbs. On average how long before you "should" see signs of myc on the wbs? I shot about 1.25cc per pint in center and shook..


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7990654 - 02/07/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I never soak over night.. maybe I'm just lucky.. but I just simmer mine for 30-40 minutes, drain well, fill up my pints and PC em..8+ hours later I noc them up.. :smile:




My brf jars showed myc at 5 days, I bought from sporeworks, used pe on brf jars and equador on wbs. On average how long before you "should" see signs of myc on the wbs? I shot about 1.25cc per pint in center and shook..




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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7990662 - 02/07/08 07:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Very nice set up! A couple of things.....Is your perlite already hydrated? Also, I would recommend you dropping the ambient temp about 5 degrees or more.




I agree, drop temperature 5 degrees. You never need to be above 80, even during fruiting.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: Neobean]
    #7990668 - 02/07/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

why does everyone suggest 86F while incubating?

I did however drop to 81f earlier this morning.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7990672 - 02/07/08 07:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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why does everyone suggest 86F while incubating?

I did however drop to 81f earlier this morning.





You don't even need to incubate. Room temperature is just fine. Any experienced grower will tell you this :smile:


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7990674 - 02/07/08 07:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've never had much luck with spores in wbs. Hopefully you will have better. I use lc or clone juice, works great. I think you are probably ok on your moisture content, it should look a little dry. The moisture is in the grain. I agree that you should drop the temp a little. The substrate tends to be a little warmer than ambient temp, and there is no reason to push it past 80 degrees F. You will encourage yuck to grow at high temps. Good luck.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: petridish]
    #7990678 - 02/07/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7990766 - 02/07/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That hygrometer you have there is junk... I would recommend an analog cigar humidor hygrometer (calibrated of course).


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7991919 - 02/07/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I never soak over night.. maybe I'm just lucky.. but I just simmer mine for 30-40 minutes, drain well, fill up my pints and PC em..8+ hours later I noc them up.. :smile:




This was my first try at WBS obv.. shit that brf is my 1st jar ever, so we'll see.

The wbs jars have no "puddles" I can see slight moisture on the sides, its very slight and not very widely spread. The seeds are almost twice as large as dried seeds and that's what worries me. Also, one jar has a small tic-tac sized white spec on bottom of jar, stuck, I don't know but I bet someone will say it might be yeast in the days to come...




You're fine, the moisture on the wall of the jar is A okay.

You wanted to increase the seeds water content until almost bursting..if you have minimal bursting and your seeds are swollen, you are good my friend.

I usually simmer mine around 25 minutes..when I hit that mark I check the seeds by squeezing them between my thumb and index finger. Determining water content before it starts cracking them. I take them out when they get pretty easy to squash. :grin:

I usually see growth on WBS between 5-10 days.. I've learned to be patient. Very helpful in this hobby.

I think you'll be fine... good luck! :peace:

PS: I've found that "shaking" the WBS when 5-10% colonized to be bad..I've stalled and completely demolished mycelium by doing this.. You want your birdseeds water content to be that you can roll the jar and the birdseed is loose enough to to just roll free. Leaving enough water content for the mycelium to survive and enough air in between the seeds that it can breath and in turn give you optimal growth speeds.

You'll learn in time what exactly your right water content is...

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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: JewelessCaesar]
    #7998254 - 02/08/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Feb 8, 08 update

Check this pic out, looks to me like little specs of myc bloomin'...
Looks like little round balls with micro fibers sprouting out in 360deg, is it healthy or it is something that shouldn't be there?
I knocked these up on Monday Feb 4th with ms syringe of equador from sporeworks. Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts.

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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7998261 - 02/08/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

pic is kinda small kinda hard to tell but looks and soudns like mycelium


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: xbabyboy4021x]
    #7998266 - 02/08/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

btw i have the same thermometer/hygrometer lol got it from walmart for like 5 bucks


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: xbabyboy4021x]
    #7998272 - 02/08/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

click on pic it should enlarge, only have a 5mp cam, couldnt get a clear closeup


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7998280 - 02/08/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Feb 8, 08 update

Check this pic out, looks to me like little specs of myc bloomin'...
Looks like little round balls with micro fibers sprouting out in 360deg, is it healthy or it is something that shouldn't be there?
I knocked these up on Monday Feb 4th with ms syringe of equador from sporeworks. Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts.

[image][/image]




looks good .. except for the black seeds u should have discarded ... small jars for grain but i guess 1 must learn to crawl before 1 is able to walk ! gl to you .. cheers ..


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #7998285 - 02/08/08 09:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, using pints, for now.. couldn't find half's and got a buttload of pints for $15


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7998357 - 02/08/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



send me a print lol and ill send u 1 of these .. print that is haha


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #7998382 - 02/08/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

very nice.

If I even make it to the FC stage I'll be excited... baby steps.

I'm actally doing some new WBS jars in he Pc now for an "experiment" inoc.

I'm only using 2" of WBS in 2 jars and 4" in 2 more. Going to finish off the leftovers of a PE syringe that I used for some BRF pints that are slowly but surely movin along..


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7998400 - 02/08/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



hopefully ill get some good prints off these as well haha .. my posts are messin up so sorry if it went twice .. pe meaning the envy ? lol i reeeeeeeeeeally want some of them .. ^^ those arent pe but big fat pee pees nonetheless haha


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #7998412 - 02/08/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I ordered the $10 specials on sporeworks, they send you two B+ starins at random, I recieved Penis Envy and Equador.

All I know about them are PE is a small yield strain and Equador suposedly has a bigger yield with a beginners level of cultivation so seems like I got some right up my alley.

Once I learn how to print or whatever I definetly don;t mind shipping em in trade, sounds good.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #7998418 - 02/08/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah I ordered the $10 specials on sporeworks, they send you two B+ starins at random, I recieved Penis Envy and Equador.

All I know about them are PE is a small yield strain and Equador suposedly has a bigger yield with a beginners level of cultivation so seems like I got some right up my alley.




those fatties are eq ^^ and also from the worx .. very fast colonization time and well ... thats them ! ^ lol youll like em


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #7998425 - 02/08/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I edited my message before you qouted it. Yeah I injected the WBS jars on monday and now 4 days later they show myc so hopefully within the next 2 weeks theyll bust a move so I can move to the next phase.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8000171 - 02/09/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Feb 8, 08 update

Check this pic out, looks to me like little specs of myc bloomin'...
Looks like little round balls with micro fibers sprouting out in 360deg, is it healthy or it is something that shouldn't be there?
I knocked these up on Monday Feb 4th with ms syringe of equador from sporeworks. Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts.

[image][/image]




Now I'm curious to how fast these jars are going to be moving along since 1st sighn of whitey was 4 days...

2 jars have the bottoms being swallowed and it looks clumpy


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8004629 - 02/10/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is the 1st and only BRF jar I've tried. As a "test" run.

It's been about 10 days since I injected with a multispore syringe of penis envy in 4 holes. The whiteys started showing up by every inoc point, now it's damn near spread over the entire uppper half of the jar but not moving south much, check out these 2 pics, of the same jar, and let me know what you think please.

one side.. do yu think I need to flip the jar over (co2) ?
[image][/image]

other side.. doesnt the myc look "thin" as you can almost see the sub through it?

[image][/image]

As you can see this is the same jar 4 days ago..





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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8004991 - 02/10/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

oooo...yes it looks like uve got some mycelium growin there


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: xbabyboy4021x]
    #8005771 - 02/10/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

looks like your mycelium may not be the strongest in that BRF jar, thats one of the risks with MS. It will likely colonize eventually but it may be slow, thats why grain is preferred because you can shake it when it gets to this point and mix up the mycelium and get a boost. afoaf had BRF jars that took 3 or 4 times the amount of WBS jars to fully colonize.

looks like you already have grains going, i would stick with that. looking good :thumbup:


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: xbabyboy4021x]
    #8005777 - 02/10/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I loosened the lids a bit as per someones advice. I hope they'll reach 100% safely.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shroober]
    #8005800 - 02/10/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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looks like your mycelium may not be the strongest in that BRF jar, thats one of the risks with MS. It will likely colonize eventually but it may be slow, thats why grain is preferred because you can shake it when it gets to this point and mix up the mycelium and get a boost. afoaf had BRF jars that took 3 or 4 times the amount of WBS jars to fully colonize.

looks like you already have grains going, i would stick with that. looking good :thumbup:




The BRF jar was my 1st ever. Just to see what's up. Then I did 6wbs jars which show tic-tac sized specs around the jars, mostly around the bottom edges.

Then I had about 2cc of PE left so I did 2 more wbs jars but only 35-40% full (of seed) as some kind of experiment and used 1cc per jar to see if they'd colonize quickly.

Now that I have jars going Im getting impatient (bored) as I either wait to have to start over (contams) or move to the next tep so I have something else to learn about.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. UPDATE: feb10 (Please check out the pic I just posted on last page.. invert ?) [Re: shevanel]
    #8007080 - 02/10/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol just read over wot i wrote the other day lol thought u said prints instead of pints like u did .. silly mushies make u read weird lol .. wow pe has some bad azz rizo growth to it ! looks nice .. well done .. i need me some of them now lol ... oh and btw i sampled those eqs in moderation i showed pic of up top .. blew the doors off those tcs ! woooooooow and i only had 2 grams and after i just ate 2 days ago .. its true that some cubes are just better than others !


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8013012 - 02/12/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lost one to green mold. Checked the 6 WBS pints last night, looked this afternoon and one had light fuzzy green mold over the seeds. The other 5 have really white and fluffy areas of myc, but moving slowly as far as coverage, been 8 days. Another jar has a tiny spec of green close to the lid, I moved it away from the others and it'll probably croak too.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8025368 - 02/14/08 11:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Posted new pics towards end, same jar as Feb 8th on wbs as Feb 15


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8025405 - 02/15/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The grain is looking pretty good.

You must consider the grains as larger inoculate points. They usually colonize this way. If you were to use straight millet, it would have been less noticeable since you have much smaller, yet much more inoculate points.

Take your BRF for example. It's basically sand, yet there is little air between each particle. The mycellium starts growing like a mat right off.

With the grain there is a bit of air between each piece of grain. Notice that not all are colonizing one by one. Some are colonizing in chunks since that's just where the mycellium decided to take off in a more tightly bound spot.

The BRF and the Grain look really good. Keep them incubating and you'll have fully colonized jars soon.

I make grain jars with a slight mixture of dry Vermiculite to make sure moisture content is perfect (I followed Scatmanrav's technique ages back).

So I went from this:



To this:



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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: Spire]
    #8025434 - 02/15/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Spire, thanks fr the input.

You don't think the layer of myc on the brf to appear thin? Don't let the picture fool you, when you look at it live it almost sems ike you can seethe substrate through the mycelium layer...


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    #8025458 - 02/15/08 12:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh and I forgot to mention. As a test I did 2 pints of WBS, but instead of using the method I used on the previos 6, I just let soak for <24hours and let strain for <10 and its been 5 days and only a needle tip size piece of myc on bottom of 1 glass as opposed to the previous 6 showing myc pretty quickly, about 4 days?


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8025563 - 02/15/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly, the BRF jar looks fine.

Do a search on BRF Jars of some sort, and compare your pics with other pics. BRF just tends to colonize that way.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8039747 - 02/18/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Please check out the pics on the end of the 1st post.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8039759 - 02/18/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'd say closer to 90 than 99.9. Lotta grains still. Give it another week and it'll be perfect. I've learned that it's better to let this step take longer than you think it should.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: xile]
    #8039769 - 02/18/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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xile said:
I'd say closer to 90 than 99.9. Lotta grains still. Give it another week and it'll be perfect. I've learned that it's better to let this step take longer than you think it should.




okay I just want to be sure before I let it run too long and it starts to go south.


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    #8039778 - 02/18/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'd say closer to 90 than 99.9. Lotta grains still. Give it another week and it'll be perfect. I've learned that it's better to let this step take longer than you think it should.




okay I just want to be sure before I let it run too long and it starts to go south.



People have left 100% colonized jars for a month or two and had great results still.


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Re: Noob. 1st grow. Pics. Flame thread. WBS. BRF. FC [Re: shevanel]
    #8062634 - 02/23/08 10:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

new pics, after I get some spawn I'll be doing some ideas layed down by fahster, see if I can learn something!


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    #8063015 - 02/24/08 01:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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:drooling:

Man, I can only dream of having that much closet space for my hobby.


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    #8063020 - 02/24/08 01:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

maybe one day I'll know what to truly do with it. :eek:


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