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FarFromHere
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Legalize Mother Nature!!!
#7989535 - 02/06/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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All plants should be 100% legal to cultivate unless they are being processed into drugs.
All living and dried plants, cacti and fungi should be 100% legal!
So this would mean that people could grow any psychoactive botanical they wanted and as long as they kept the processing and ingestion out of veiw, inside their homes, they could produce enough material for personal use.
Those selling processed plants would be arrested.
This would keep dumbasses from ingesting powerful drugs, because you would have to grow it to be able to do it basically....
Things like pure DMT, heroin, Meth, cocaine would be illegal...
But things like Ayahuasca, Trichocereus and Peyote Cacti, Mushrooms, Salvia, etc.... These things would all remain legal.... In both their living and dried forms. (Mushrooms)
Sadly (for some of you) salvia extracts would be illegal...
But I really don't give a fuck.
I'm good with smoking my sally leaf, munching on my Peyote, and sipping my pod tea....
The communities stance on drugs should be this- "All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
People might actually buy that!
The Government, nor the people of the World will ever allow ALL drugs to be legal...
Why?
Because meth is bad...
Because Heroin is bad....
You people need to get the fuck over that and stop doing that shit!
Don't shoot heroin! Smoke Opium!!!
Don't smoke meth! Chew Khat!!!
So...
Legal plants, cacti and fungi!!!
Anyways...that's my ideas on drug laws.
P.S.- I mean this in a purely legal perspective, I think people should be allowed to put anything they wish into their bodies, no matter how foolish that may be. I do not believe you should smoke meth, but I think you should be able to...BUT from a legal prespective....As far as conviencing the general public and government to change their laws...I say we just attempt to get mother nature legalized...not EVERYTHING legalized.
Edited by FarFromHere (02/06/08 10:20 PM)
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Plok
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989596 - 02/06/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
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Crasher
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: Plok]
#7989608 - 02/06/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ayahuasca is a preparation, and would be illegal in your world.
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KrishnaDreamer
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: Crasher]
#7989619 - 02/06/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so would pod tea and boiled cactus, your concentrating the alkaloids.
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FarFromHere
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Ya...but you keep that shit in your house.
So unless your slanging Ayahuasca, salvia extract or cocaine you'd be fine.
You could sell as much caapi, psychotria, salvia leaf and coca plants you wanted!
-------------------- "We are the one's we have been waiting for" -Hopi Proverb
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learningtofly
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989671 - 02/06/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so youre already breaking your own law dumbass
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FarFromHere
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I'm making a loop-hole...
Do you guys not understand what I'm proposing?
It would be legal to own dried mushrooms.
It would be illegal to make those mushrooms into a tea and ingest them...
But you don't do that shit on the steps of the police station!
You do it at home! Out of sight!
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Crasher
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989709 - 02/06/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
FarFromHere said:
But you don't do that shit on the steps of the police station!
You do it at home! Out of sight!
Exactly why I don't need some bullshit loophole to keep doing what I choose to.
Legality won't stop most people, period.
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Serial
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989753 - 02/06/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that anything that you grow and consume yourself should be outside the reach of the law, it is your body afterall. Unfortionately even if this were true, everyone wants to be rich, and the world is lazy, so some people will sell and ruin it for everyone.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: Serial]
#7989829 - 02/06/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The drug war will have an end.
I believe two outcomes are possible within the USA government.
1) The "War on Drugs/Terror/Freedom" will escalate until all drugs are made 100% illegal and are only distrubuted by coperate pharmicitical companies, including plant drugs and herbal remedies. The big boys in goverment and coperations do not want you to know that you can heal yourself with cheap, D.I.Y., plants, herbs, cacti and fungi.
2)Plants, cacti and fungi will remain 100% legal in their living and dried forms as long as no evidence for intent to process into illegal drugs is present. Those which choose to produce, let's say opium poppies into heroin and sell $1000s of dollars worth of it...would likely get caught, yet somebody who grew mushrooms and only tripped inside their house, or other safe, out of site area would be perfectly safe from the law.
I can't see any other possiblities.
They are gonna make all drugs illegal...but I believe we can coveince them that mother nature is legitimate.
-------------------- "We are the one's we have been waiting for" -Hopi Proverb
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learningtofly
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989841 - 02/06/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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FarFromHere said: I'm making a loop-hole...
Do you guys not understand what I'm proposing?
It would be legal to own dried mushrooms.
It would be illegal to make those mushrooms into a tea and ingest them...
But you don't do that shit on the steps of the police station!
You do it at home! Out of sight!
If its already illegal to ingest them what is the point of this?
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FarFromHere
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You can legally grow and sell dried mushrooms! and Cannabis!
and you can legally grow opium poppies!
As long as "none of it is intended for drug use".
-------------------- "We are the one's we have been waiting for" -Hopi Proverb
Edited by FarFromHere (02/06/08 11:36 PM)
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learningtofly
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989865 - 02/06/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then why not just legalize their use because what other purpose wuold ther be?
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FarFromHere
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Look...some (ignorant) people are not gonna accept that we wish to alter our consciousness.
Those in the "know" would have access to mushrooms and other natural drugs...
While the (ignorant) masses would think that the drug war was still being carried on against the hard drugs like heroin, cocaine and meth.
This is the only compromise within the USA I could imagine.
There is already a tendency for people to think "What was made by God is good", I don't think that's a silly idea...
There is also sympathy for cannabis users.
....Think about it!
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Crasher
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989900 - 02/06/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know some datura users who don't agree with the mother nature clause.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: Crasher]
#7989915 - 02/06/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your right.
Datura should be illegal, because dumbasses like to ingest it...
RIGHT?
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2859558484
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989921 - 02/06/08 11:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this thread should be illegal
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Crasher
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: 2859558484]
#7989928 - 02/06/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is no reason on earth anyone keeps dried fungus around aside from ingestion.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: Crasher]
#7989940 - 02/07/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
There is no reason on earth anyone keeps dried fungus around aside from ingestion.
It looks pretty! I would never eat those things!
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Crasher
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7989946 - 02/07/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good luck with that. I'll just stick with keeping my mouth shut and use in moderation.
No drama, no johnny law, no legislation.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: Crasher]
#7989955 - 02/07/08 12:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's basically the stance I've taken...
The loop-hole allows responsible low-key drug users to remain psedo-legal and out of the reach of the law...
While more foolish, profit driven "dealers" would be arrested.
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KrishnaDreamer
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: 2859558484]
#7990142 - 02/07/08 01:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
wowitch17 said: this thread should be illegal
FarFromHere: your views are flawed, and there're already other threads with this debate.
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bmiles
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why would you make DMT and Salvia illegal??
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donvliet
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: bmiles]
#7990428 - 02/07/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's immoral to tell someone what they can or cannot do with their own body and mind!! Any law making drugs illegal is an immoral law. All drugs should be legalized!!
People have fought hard for their right to be homosexuals, to kill themselves (suicide is still illegal in my country!), womens lib, etc... No one, no person or government, has the right to tell me what I cannot do with my own body and mind. I will not obey such laws.
In my country (the Netherlands) the government is about to make shrooms illegal. And there's way too little protest. Why are people so eager to surrender their fundamental rights?
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kiowa27
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: donvliet]
#7990734 - 02/07/08 08:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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while it may be immoral, at the end of the day homo sapiens is not really the brightest bulb in the chandeleir, and there will always be people who find new and exciting ways to kill themselves.. that in and of itself I have no problem with, call it darwins law at its best but the trouble comes when they endanger others with their acts, and that happens each and every day as we all know. as much as I would truly love to see certain controlled substances legalized in america I truly don't see it happening anytime soon for one simple reason, their "war on drugs" is BIG BUSINESS! think about it, if you have this source of an insane amount of revenue, this industry that was at one point relatively small that has been inflated immeasurably by some clever work in congress, are you really going to be in a hurry to lose it? even a sizable part of it? do a little research and see how many prisons have been built in the last 20 years. now check out the number of people in those prisons on posession charges, even possession with intent due to the amount of controlled substance(s) they were found in posession of. in theory legalizing "drugs" sounds great, but there will always be the leroy jenkins of the world to serve as posterchildren for the "war on drugs".. wanna help get things set right? sterilize your local idiots I'm a lifetime member of NORML so you know where my heart is, I'm also a realist though and I just don't see it happening.
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Re: Legalize Mother Nature!!! [Re: FarFromHere]
#7990747 - 02/07/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: FarFromHere, this isn't exactly the right forum for this post. Better options would have been: Drug Policy Forum (sub-forum of the Politics forum), The Pub, OTD, or your Journal.
This thread also borders on trolling when you come out declaring "such and such drug is bad!! it's bad!! stop doing it!!" Please use this forum for discussion pertaining to the psychedelic experience, not polarizing drug users into opposing camps based on your own personal preferences.
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