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WBS/blackcow trays....Update
    #7989432 - 02/06/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well i started out with cakes, and frankly cakes suck(compared to other options).....i had one contam so i broke them up and cased them befor it went all bad:)

anyway....i started some wbs jars innoced with LC which finished up in 10 days on the dot and then i spawned them to 50/50 black cow an verm....i microwaved the substrate for 12 mins let cool an spawned. here are the trays just a day after i spawned them




ill be casing them with 50/50 MGMC and verm....hopefully i can manage a good pinset, my casing always seem to heavy an compact when i want light an fluffy.....any suggestions on how to manage that....should i just lightly sprinkle it on??My other casings seemed so heavy the myc couldnt get through it in a reasonable time(woulda taken at least two weeks if not more)...

An now im onto my second wbs project...more jars await the PC:)


-D


2/7/08

well my two blackcow/wbs trays are fully colonized with some seriouly afro like myc and im goin to case them tonight. Ive got some updates pics and Q's for you guys....


theres one of the colonized trays...nice an white



heres where i have a question.....my tinfoil has been dripping onto the surface of the sub and it turned a yellow color(look close theres a yellow puddle in the middle of the pic...sorry cell phone)...it happened once before and i just absorbed the fluid with some paper towel and that was that, nothing else happened so i figured it was just "myc piss" as some call it mixed with some condensation......happened again in the same fashion different place.....im not really worried because the other spot looks healthy again id just like some input so i can put a name on it....



and theres my grow tub....gunna be like a monotub except using perlite with casings on top....gunna put 4 holes each side just above the perlite layer...tryin out somethin new:)

thanks,
-D


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #7989491 - 02/06/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wow! thats just one day after spawning??

i thought that cow poo was an inferior substrate to hpoo.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #7989509 - 02/06/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

nope cow manure is considered better in terms of what a mushroom needs to grow, but its the texture of hpoo that is so attractive to most growers....maybe ive been reading too much:)


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #7989533 - 02/06/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

add corse verm to the mgmc and lightly sprinkle it on. I never put more than 3/4 of an inch on for casing.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #7989667 - 02/06/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i cant seem to find corse verm at Hdepot or lowes....is it more the pet store variety?

yea i figured i should sprinkle...lol last time i lightly spackled it on for a nice sealed casing making sure that even the most determined myc couldnt penetrate:eek:i dunno what i was thinking....i scraped that one an its in the FC for some reason...guess i just dont have the heart to bag it without giving it the chance to fruit..


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #7989740 - 02/06/08 11:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Black kow is what I use. when I first started using it I had the same problem with it compacting so now I use approx. 3.5L black kow-3.5L straw-3.5L 90/10 coir/coffee-1L fine grade verm(all that the local Lowe's carries) for each of my mono tubs. The extra ingredients really loosen/fluff up the substrate which makes it real easy for the mycelium to grow through. Also, when I layer it out in the tub I always do it by the hand full so I can break it up with my fingers and scatter it out lightly to keep it as loose as possible.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: 1Hypermycosis1]
    #7989748 - 02/06/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is great. I'm looking into the same product. Black kow, that is. Can't wait for updates.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #7995958 - 02/08/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

update bump


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #7996034 - 02/08/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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dbt123 said:
i cant seem to find corse verm at Hdepot or lowes....is it more the pet store variety?




Yes and/or the type used for insulation


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: zyxwvutsr]
    #8014544 - 02/12/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

UPDATE:

well my casing trays have been in the fruiting chanber for a couple days now and you can see that im getting pretty even colonization...


also here is a picture of my monotubed fruiting chamber....its basically a monotub with casing trays placed on a layer of perlite...though it might not work as well as a monotub because the sides of the trays will stop the removal of the co2 buildup directly atop the trays, i will still be fanning a few times a day which will illiminate the prob:)

to be continued.....cant wait to wake up to some pinning:mushroom2:

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #8014694 - 02/12/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

cut the sides of the trays that are blocking Co2 flow off or drill a bunch of holes in them.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #8014997 - 02/12/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yea i thought bout that but i figure ill fan for now an fix that next grow:)

i have a question about pinset though ive seen both allowing the casing layer to completely colonize, and allowing the myc to peak through then patch ive never really come to a conclusion about which is better.....as long as you are getting even colonization does the time at which you put the casing into fruiting condition really matter? If im getting even colonization all over but the whole surface isnt covered will it effect the amount of pins or will the entire surface still produce pins?

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #8015337 - 02/12/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What's the point of a casing if it's fully colonized?
As soon as it comes through the casing..patch it and throw it into fruiting conditions or throw it in fruiting conditions when you case it, either way.
You get better pin sets and less contaminants with FFAE a.k.a Frequent Fresh Air Exchange.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8017103 - 02/13/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks dumbfounded, thats why i was kinda confused on which way to go and just stuck it in the fc after it poked through and i patched....it seems that letting the casing fully colonize contradicts the whole idea behind the casing somewhat.....but what do i no:) got it setup like a mono and im fannin 2-3 times a day FFAE it is:grin::mushroom2:

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #8035099 - 02/17/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Update...2/16

well i woke up yesturday morning to pins and this is them today



sorry for the bad pic its with a phone i dont have a digi....my other tray is just starting to pin because i think the casing layer was alittle thicker so its about a day or so behind.

i got a pretty damn good pin set using 50/50 verm/MGMC, if you cant see the whole surface is covered with pins from 1/4inch to 3/4inch tall....

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dbt123]
    #8035144 - 02/17/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:idea: :smile:


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays.... [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8035204 - 02/17/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

dumbfounded1600 said:
:idea: :smile:


:grin::mushroom2:


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8041057 - 02/19/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

all i can say is wow......this is my first really successful grow and i must say its blowing my mind:grin: :mushroom2:



now to test, will be back with more pics and trip reports:mushroom2:

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8041090 - 02/19/08 12:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

nice work man. i need to try and find a TEK somewhere that tells you how to properly do a tray or whatever. i only know how to do the cake method :smile: but damn that tray looks ballin as hell


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: Jadis]
    #8041205 - 02/19/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

damn guys. all your coir and cpoo grows are turning me against hpoo.

damn kids and their "alternative" substrates...

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #8041220 - 02/19/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The only reason Horse Manure is #1 because of texture, Cow Manure hands down has more nutrients


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #8041431 - 02/19/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

beaaautiful. wish i had cowpoo up north


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: galadar]
    #8041803 - 02/19/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

black kow and coir kicks ass, thanks for making that a fact!

i'm currently doing a grow using the same substrate, i'll be casing in a couple of days, thanks for giving me some reassurance!


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #8041964 - 02/19/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

really need to add the straw with that for your potency.. just a suggestion... some people think im crazy but there is real difference in ur shroomies...


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8042066 - 02/19/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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really need to add the straw with that for your potency.. just a suggestion... some people think im crazy but there is real difference in ur shroomies...






*The fact is, even with the perfect substrate and the perfect temperature and the perfect terrarium and the perfect love of the most experienced grower, there will be up to a ten-fold difference in actives between individual fruits and from one flush to the next. I have no idea why, but it's a fact. We've all seen it. One batch sends you to Mars, the next sends you to bed early. Straw is just as nutritious as Brown Rice Flour, The only reason people like it because of it's moisture capacity producing monsters. That's It!

*The entire mushroom contains the same amount of drug regarless of size from the veil break onward

*Bigger Mushrooms dilute the potency because there is more mushroom material but no more drug. Basically theres more mass, not! more drug.

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8042240 - 02/19/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

OP SORRY FOR THIS I WAS PROVOKED ...UR TRAYS LOOK GREAT!!! JUST TRY A HANDFULL OF CHOPPED STRAW WITH UR BLACK COW AND THANK ME LATER:)

in hopes of not turning this into a flame war.... im am trying to help you people.... with the the experience that i have. some people will argue with me forever and ever about this.... im giving you an opinion just like ur giving your opinion... hey if you think im full of shit than so be it.... but don't knock until you try it..... black cow and chopped straw is a perfect mix. and your potency will increase.

think about it... just for a moment.... let me ask you have you ever tried shrooms that were just grown on straw? they will freakin blow ur mind but contamination is too high. mix the poo with it and you recieve the perfect mouisture and you might actually get multiple flushes.... also the more mycelum you have the stronger ur flushes and the stonger your potency and the yeild will increase.

IF YOU GROW A POT PLANT IN A 1/2 PINT JAR AND YOU GROW ONE IN A 10 GALLON BUCKET ...WHICH DO YOU THINK WILL BE STRONGER? THINK ABOUT IT!!!

lookin at my avatar if you saw willie you might have seen the day i started her...im not saying that i have more experience but i have been lurking here alot longer than you and i assure you i am the PROGRAM.

I WILL STOP RAMBLING CAUSE YOU PROBABLY WON'T READ ANYWAYS.... CAUSE I CAN TELL ALOT OF THE NEWBS HER HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS... AND THEY THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING.. BUT CONTINUE TO ASK DUMB ASS QUESTIONS CONSTANTLY


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8042257 - 02/19/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OP SORRY FOR THIS I WAS PROVOKED ...UR TRAYS LOOK GREAT!!! JUST TRY A HANDFULL OF CHOPPED STRAW WITH UR BLACK COW AND THANK ME LATER:)

in hopes of not turning this into a flame war.... im am trying to help you people.... with the the experience that i have. some people will argue with me forever and ever about this.... im giving you an opinion just like ur giving your opinion... hey if you think im full of shit than so be it.... but don't knock until you try it..... black cow and chopped straw is a perfect mix. and your potency will increase.

think about it... just for a moment.... let me ask you have you ever tried shrooms that were just grown on straw? they will freakin blow ur mind but contamination is too high. mix the poo with it and you recieve the perfect mouisture and you might actually get multiple flushes.... also the more mycelum you have the stronger ur flushes and the stonger your potency and the yeild will increase.

IF YOU GROW A POT PLANT IN A 1/2 PINT JAR AND YOU GROW ONE IN A 10 GALLON BUCKET ...WHICH DO YOU THINK WILL BE STRONGER? THINK ABOUT IT!!!

lookin at my avatar if you saw willie you might have seen the day i started her...im not saying that i have more experience but i have been lurking here alot longer than you and i assure you i am the PROGRAM.

I WILL STOP RAMBLING CAUSE YOU PROBABLY WON'T READ ANYWAYS.... CAUSE I CAN TELL ALOT OF THE NEWBS HER HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS... AND THEY THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING.. BUT CONTINUE TO ASK DUMB ASS QUESTIONS CONSTANTLY








I've done straw/manure there's NO INCREASE IN POTENCY WILLY! Ask people here and they'll tell you the same thing. I'm telling you it's genetic. Your yield will increase! Straw is as nutritious as brf! It's just the moisture in straw! Pot Plant? It's hard to say. It's with your nutrients though! Mushrooms DO NOT HAVE circulatory/vascular systems therefore nutrients/substrate isn't it. I'm no noob I can tell you that much Willie Nilly


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8042415 - 02/19/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well like i said its an opinion just like yours. maybe i don't know what im talkin about.....i haven't been doing this for 5 yrs and im just a fuckin idiot just like you said...

its just seems so obvious i don't see why people don't get it.. the stronger the root system the stronger the shroom. think about it. just open ur mind quit being stubborn... i guess some people have to try it to believe it.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #8043345 - 02/19/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Your grow looks very impressive! I was thinking about doing something similar, using perilite with casings but I read that casings need a lower humidity, around 85% and I was worried that the perilite will keep the humidity to high for the casings. I guess your setup proves this wrong so I might go for some perilite in my FC instead of an expensive ultrasonic humidifier for my first grow.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8046538 - 02/20/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well hmm.....the black cow has definitly worked well for me....it seemed that the myc ate it very very quickly....the perlite under the casing has seemed to give it just the right amount of humidity...i even mist it once or twice a day and give it a fan just for good measure:grin:

As far as the potency im not sure cause i have yet to take them, but i will at some point this weekend so i will definitly let you guys no......im kinda worried because i just recently read that with multispore there a chance to get very low potency mushrooms which would be really disappointing...

anyway heres some more pics they are growing like crazzzy:mushroom2::mushroom2:



probably be ready to harvest tonight or tmrw mornin, the veils have started to rip on three of four:grin:

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8046686 - 02/20/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they look great.. atleast try to make 2 or three prints. the thing about multi spore having low potency is bogus...


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8046850 - 02/20/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok good thanks pre i was sweatin that for awhile thinkin i might get a couple ounces of low potency shrooms....

im gunna make a couple prints from these guys and i might try to clone one....can i clone on a small dish using a light syrup like used for LC's...i figure ill cut a peice outta the middle of the stem and add it to the syrup an let it colonize then do it a couple more times to isolate a better B+ substrain

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8047053 - 02/20/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Potency is genetic, but there is a thing called Natural Potency believed that 'Nitrogen' increases potency. But overall I believe potency has more to do with sub-strain then substrain for THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of try's of different substrates...Sometimes manure comes up with LOW trips, sometimes BRF comes up with HIGH trip. It's all genetic when it comes to potency.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8047112 - 02/20/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

screw cloning... just make sure you get a good print.... and add a little chopped straw to ur next batch


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8047151 - 02/20/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for all the help guys....ill make some prints and ill be back with some first flush weights tnight or tmrw


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8051234 - 02/21/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

538g wet first flush from one tray:grin: alot more than i thought.....theyre drying now on my box fan dryer:grin:

what should i do about the casing its in pretty bad condition im thinking dunk it by filling the tray with water then drain the water and recase??

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: sonicnirvana]
    #8051306 - 02/21/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

straw/cpoo would prolly be quicker than coir/cpoo

those look awesome for such a small substrate though dbt!


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: anarchOi]
    #8054674 - 02/21/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

would i get a larger mushroom if I used a larger substraight? I want to grow a larger fruit these all came out kinda small.

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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: dbt123]
    #8055483 - 02/22/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just throwin something at you on this... yes it will increase the size of ur flush and ur shrooms... if u increase ur depth.... next time instead of using trays on top of perlite fill the bottom of ur ur tub with ur substrate. about four inches is always good... use a straight poo straw mix no verm.. then research 60/40 verm coir casings ... and also look in to getting a vicks cool mist.... a vicks is always nice cause it will give you humidity and fae if you operate on a timer.. that way ur not opening to fan and ur contamination risk goes down.


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Re: WBS/blackcow trays....Update [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8055516 - 02/22/08 08:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



just a pic of the set up so you know what im talkin bout...


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