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Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass?
#7988477 - 02/06/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm interested in finding out what fellow shroomerites think about the candidates, and finding out which one is the least popular and why.
If you'd like, you can put them in order from worst to best. Discuss:
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7988496 - 02/06/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hillary most likely quite literally.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#7988550 - 02/06/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Minstrel]
#7988684 - 02/06/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Clinton. flip flooper.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#7988700 - 02/06/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mitt Romney- complete douchebag on a personal level. Has no principles, is always ready to appeal to the lowest common demoninator like the demagogue he is(see, for instance, his open embrace of Tancredo-style xenophobia, his defense of torture, etc.)
Mike Huckabee- just another fundie nut who's also a Dominionist, a member of a dangerous and extreme reactionary political movement. He tries to present himself as a kindler, gentler fundie but his positions on homosexuality, abstinence education, and such issues clearly show he is willing to do serious harm to others in the name of his personal religious dogma. He's also for the death penalty and more regressive taxes, so he's also a hypocrite.
Ron Paul- While I generally find libertarianism to be overly simplistic, I can usually give it credit for its consistency and conviction. However, Ron Paul, as his recent racism scandal shows, belongs more to the racist armed militia branch of the movement than to the CATO institute style libertarians. Moreover, his election would be a complete disaster and would send us back to the Dark Ages economically. Good thing he'll never be elected.
John McCain- Despite his maverick image, he's really just another conservative pol. I can respect his stands against torture, his vote against two major irresponsible Bush tax cuts, and his campaign finance bill, which, although flawed, was definitely a step in the right direction. On the other hand, he's a clear hawk and jingoist and he supports Republican policies that have been wreaking havoc on the country for the last 27 years. He's also shed every shred of dignity once had, kissing Bush's ass obsequiously and unnecessarily, after Bush levied one of the dirtiest and despicable smear campaigns against him in South Carolina. Also, his rush to sweep his previous positions under the rug, like when he didn't even have the courage to say he'd vote for his own immigration-reform bill.
They're pretty much the ones I think "suck". There are only 2 candidates in the Democratic field who remain, except for Mike Gravel who nobody gives a shit about. I have to admit that both of them are pretty good, at least by American standards. I like Hillary's health plan a lot more, but Obama seems a lot more likely to break ground in other domains(drug policy for instance). After 95, the Clintons pretty much stopped pushing their own agenda and went into survival mode and I'm afraid that might carry over into Hillary's term, but other than that I can't really say either of them "suck".
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7988754 - 02/06/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Yossarian22]
#7989328 - 02/06/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yossarian22 said: Mitt Romney- complete douchebag on a personal level. Has no principles, is always ready to appeal to the lowest common demoninator like the demagogue he is(see, for instance, his open embrace of Tancredo-style xenophobia, his defense of torture, etc.)
Mike Huckabee- just another fundie nut who's also a Dominionist, a member of a dangerous and extreme reactionary political movement. He tries to present himself as a kindler, gentler fundie but his positions on homosexuality, abstinence education, and such issues clearly show he is willing to do serious harm to others in the name of his personal religious dogma. He's also for the death penalty and more regressive taxes, so he's also a hypocrite.
Ron Paul- While I generally find libertarianism to be overly simplistic, I can usually give it credit for its consistency and conviction. However, Ron Paul, as his recent racism scandal shows, belongs more to the racist armed militia branch of the movement than to the CATO institute style libertarians. Moreover, his election would be a complete disaster and would send us back to the Dark Ages economically. Good thing he'll never be elected.
John McCain- Despite his maverick image, he's really just another conservative pol. I can respect his stands against torture, his vote against two major irresponsible Bush tax cuts, and his campaign finance bill, which, although flawed, was definitely a step in the right direction. On the other hand, he's a clear hawk and jingoist and he supports Republican policies that have been wreaking havoc on the country for the last 27 years. He's also shed every shred of dignity once had, kissing Bush's ass obsequiously and unnecessarily, after Bush levied one of the dirtiest and despicable smear campaigns against him in South Carolina. Also, his rush to sweep his previous positions under the rug, like when he didn't even have the courage to say he'd vote for his own immigration-reform bill.
They're pretty much the ones I think "suck". There are only 2 candidates in the Democratic field who remain, except for Mike Gravel who nobody gives a shit about. I have to admit that both of them are pretty good, at least by American standards. I like Hillary's health plan a lot more, but Obama seems a lot more likely to break ground in other domains(drug policy for instance). After 95, the Clintons pretty much stopped pushing their own agenda and went into survival mode and I'm afraid that might carry over into Hillary's term, but other than that I can't really say either of them "suck".
Do you believe that every single politician is a liar?
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7989962 - 02/07/08 12:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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To some extent, sure; nobody gets elected telling the truth. However, there are clearly horrific politicians and relatively good ones, who, despite the nature of the game, are able to display real tenacity and courage and who fight for just causes and policies.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Yossarian22]
#7991243 - 02/07/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yossarian22 said: To some extent, sure; nobody gets elected telling the truth. However, there are clearly horrific politicians and relatively good ones, who, despite the nature of the game, are able to display real tenacity and courage and who fight for just causes and policies.
How can you tell which is which?
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7991328 - 02/07/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Um, you can listen to their speeches, read up on their policies and dealings, etc. I don't claim to be omniscient, but it's usually easy to tell the difference between relatively good politicians like Russ Feingold for instance and weasels like Romney. What exactly is the point of your questions anyway?
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7991383 - 02/07/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Yossarian22]
#7991407 - 02/07/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are only 2 candidates in the Democratic field who remain, except for Mike Gravel who nobody gives a shit about. I have to admit that both of them are pretty good, at least by American standards.
If you think the two candidates in the Democratic field (sorry Gravel supporters, I don't mean to slight your candidate) are any different than the people you just listed, then you really need to go look at their records with the same mindset that you used to judge the Republican candidates.
Billary, for example, is as corrupt as they come. You mentioned McCain with respect to the last 27 years of hell... don't overlook Billary's dynasty during that time. Be sure you look at her flip flop on health care between when she was pretending to be president and now. If you can't beat them, join them... and give them a big fat check at the expense of the tax payers with a pretty name like "universal health care".
What do the following have in common: Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush, Richard Nixon, John McCain, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Joseph Lieberman, Jesse Jackson, Jimmy Carter, Dick Cheney, Al Gore, Ronald Reagan, and many others... (They are (or were) all members of the same organization... same coin, different sides.)
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Yossarian22]
#7991413 - 02/07/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yossarian22 said: Um, you can listen to their speeches, read up on their policies and dealings, etc. I don't claim to be omniscient, but it's usually easy to tell the difference between relatively good politicians like Russ Feingold for instance and weasels like Romney. What exactly is the point of your questions anyway?
Hmmmmm, that's a good question!
I guess I'm just asking because I am interested in what others think about politicians. There's not really any specific reason I'm asking you other than that.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7991429 - 02/07/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hillary wins hands down. No one else even anywhere close by.
Obama doesn't suck the most ass as a person, but as the most liberal senator in Congress he'd for sure make a disastrous president of the United States. Not to mention his lack of experience.
That leaves McCain as the best of a bad lot.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Seuss]
#7991657 - 02/07/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow! About the only one that leaves out is JFK. I wonder what happened him?
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Phred]
#7991774 - 02/07/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I love to see how every single democratic cadidate I can remember since I have been alive has been the "most liberal senator/congessman/govenor in the history of the world. What a joke. Obama is not even a 1/10 of how liberal Hilary is.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: xFrockx]
#7991947 - 02/07/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Obama is not even a 1/10 of how liberal Hilary is.
Not according to any of the organizations which rate the voting records of all 100 senators. Obama wins by a long shot.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: Poid]
#7991977 - 02/07/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Worst candidate? Ron Paul
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: 2sky]
#7992082 - 02/07/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Wow! About the only one that leaves out is JFK. I wonder what happened him?
He took a bullet and died. However, you can add Robert F. Kennedy to the list.
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Re: Which US Presidential Candidate Sucks the Most Ass? [Re: gluke bastid]
#7992167 - 02/07/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you think the two candidates in the Democratic field (sorry Gravel supporters, I don't mean to slight your candidate) are any different than the people you just listed, then you really need to go look at their records with the same mindset that you used to judge the Republican candidates
I don't see how. Sure, they have their flaws, as do all politicians and indeed all people. That said, there's a very stark difference between the two camps. In 2000, remember how many people subscribed to that facile "tweedledee and tweedldum" equivalency? Sure, Al Gore wouldn't have been the perfect president, but he would have been unimagineably better than who we have now. Because of that dumbass fallacy and the apathy it encouraged, our nation now has the blood of roughly a million Iraqis on its hand, an economy in shambles, a global popularity level worse than that of child molesters, fewer Constitutional and Human Rights protections than at arguably any time in the 20th century, and an administration bordering on outright dictatorship.
I too would like to see real liberal candidates in the election. However, I don't blind myself to the fact that in the American electoral system, our only real choices are between a center-right party and a far-right party. If the last eight years have taught us anything, it's how bad extremist reactionary control can be. In politics, you can't get everything you want; you have to compromise and you have to settle upon imperfect options.
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Billary, for example, is as corrupt as they come. You mentioned McCain with respect to the last 27 years of hell... don't overlook Billary's dynasty during that time. Be sure you look at her flip flop on health care between when she was pretending to be president and now. If you can't beat them, join them... and give them a big fat check at the expense of the tax payers with a pretty name like "universal health care".
How exactly is she corrupt? As for her health care policies, I don't see any "flip-flopping"; she supported a universal healthcare law at the beginning of her husband's presidency, she fought tooth and nail for it until it became clear to everybody that in the political atmosphere of the time, it had no chance of passing and to fight further would be futile and would invite deadlock and political capital. That's not flip-flopping; the Republicans simply were better machinators and the revulsion with which they viewed the prospect of decent healthcare for the poor and middle class was enough to unite them far more than the prospect was able to unite Democrats to fight in its favor. Now she's proposing a less ambitious, but still better than the alternatives, healthcare plan that will create universal coverage. Of course it's not as ambitious as I'd like; if I got my own healthcare reform bill passed, the first thing I'd do would involve a firing squad and a lot of wet-panted health insurance executives. But alas that will not happen, so we've got to take the next best thing, because the Republican alternative is "What health crisis? I've never had a problem getting my health problems treated! Besides, you can always just go to the ER and they'll fix you right up, yuk yuk yuk"
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Obama doesn't suck the most ass as a person, but as the most liberal senator in Congress he'd for sure make a disastrous president of the United States. Not to mention his lack of experience.
Yeah, our conservative presidents have been so great. I mean, really, the last 8 years have been the best years in the country's history. Care to explain exactly how a centrist president would be a disaster?
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