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Mephisto616
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WBS jars...Now what?
#7985806 - 02/06/08 08:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I got really excited that I can do something other than BRF jars. I got everything ready and I’m going to follow DOCs WBS tek this weekend. My only problem is now every time I look on another WBS tek, they all say the WBS is not a good sub straight by itself. Does this mean is I case it like a crumbled PF cake it won’t fruit? And I’ve searched here but there’s allot of talk about MGMC and more advanced teks for casing WBS. Anyone have any answers to casing WBS like a PF cake OR anyone have a link to a tek I haven’t found for easy casing of WBS
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shroober
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Re: WBS jars...Now what? [Re: Mephisto616]
#7985821 - 02/06/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can case straight WBS and it will fruit, it just won't produce a yield that would be comparable to spawning to bulk. you may as well try using a bulk substrate with your WBS, its really pretty easy and doesnt require too much time. Your easiest route would be to go buy a brick of coir at your local pet shop, hydrate it, pasteurize it (which isn't nearly as daunting as it sounds) and then use your colonized WBS to spawn to it, you will increase your yield dramatically
but again, this isnt necessary, you CAN use straight WBS and it WILL fruit with the same potency levels as anything else, just with a much lower yield (size and amount)
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Re: WBS jars...Now what? [Re: shroober]
#7985855 - 02/06/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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shroober said: You can case straight WBS and it will fruit, it just won't produce a yield that would be comparable to spawning to bulk. you may as well try using a bulk substrate with your WBS, its really pretty easy and doesnt require too much time. Your easiest route would be to go buy a brick of coir at your local pet shop, hydrate it, pasteurize it (which isn't nearly as daunting as it sounds) and then use your colonized WBS to spawn to it, you will increase your yield dramatically
but again, this isnt necessary, you CAN use straight WBS and it WILL fruit with the same potency levels as anything else, just with a much lower yield (size and amount)
Spawning is actually the next step in me maturing as a cultivator.
So far, ive only fruited WBS after casing it. My results definitely wouldnt be considered amazing, but I was satisfied, I think I pulled around 15g dry off of each casing. Each casing being about the size of a shoebox.
As shroober said, it will give you better results but not a necessity.
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Fahkface
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Simply use fine cut straw, mix it up with horse or cow manure (it's just one way...), pasteurize it, let it cool down, crumble your WBS to it, put in the incubator for a week, case and be happy.
That's a very common technique for bulk substrate.
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Tomandjerry58
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you know its crazy... there is so many people that knock different teks and most of them work completley fine. spawn to pasturize poo or straw or better yet a mix.... don't just case them. spawn then fruit.... thats ur next step SPAWN TO POO/STRAW. and thank me later
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Re: WBS jars...Now what? [Re: shroober]
#7985913 - 02/06/08 09:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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shroober said: You can case straight WBS and it will fruit, it just won't produce a yield that would be comparable to spawning to bulk. you may as well try using a bulk substrate with your WBS, its really pretty easy and doesnt require too much time. Your easiest route would be to go buy a brick of coir at your local pet shop, hydrate it, pasteurize it (which isn't nearly as daunting as it sounds) and then use your colonized WBS to spawn to it, you will increase your yield dramatically
but again, this isnt necessary, you CAN use straight WBS and it WILL fruit with the same potency levels as anything else, just with a much lower yield (size and amount)
Couldent be an easier route than to go with the coir. Spawning to Coir
If you fruit from straight grain, hydrate some verm to field capacity and mix it in your WBS when you spawn. The grain cant hold too much water on its own, it'll give your substrate a bit of a boost and help your yields out.
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Re: WBS jars...Now what? [Re: Fahkface]
#7985928 - 02/06/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: Simply use fine cut straw, mix it up with horse or cow manure (it's just one way...), pasteurize it, let it cool down, crumble your WBS to it, put in the incubator for a week, case and be happy.
That's a very common technique for bulk substrate.
Im going to take this suggestion for my next grow. It seems simple enough.
Im guessing you use straw and hpoo in a 50/50 ratio? and what percentage of spawn to substrate should you use?
I know I could look it up myself, but since we're all here and other people will be reading this. Might as well have all the answers in here.
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No, no such ratio. As far as I know from Cow manure, which does have a different texture than horse manure (though I don't know if it matters), the straw/manure ratio is about 90/10. You can actually use pure soaked straw as bulk substrate, though a mix of straw and dung works even better.
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Re: WBS jars...Now what? [Re: Fahkface]
#7986138 - 02/06/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: No, no such ratio. As far as I know from Cow manure, which does have a different texture than horse manure (though I don't know if it matters), the straw/manure ratio is about 90/10. You can actually use pure soaked straw as bulk substrate, though a mix of straw and dung works even better.
The more I read the more im thinking something more like Black Kow manure mixed with Coir instead of straw. Ive been reading that straw has a higher risk of contaminating after the first or second flush.
When spawning what is the ratio of spawn to substrate? How do you rehydrate a monotub's substrate?
When I was doing my little shoebox casings I would simply fill the entire casing container with water and put it in the fridge, then just drain it all out the next day. I cant imagine how you would rehydrate a large monotub.
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Who do you tell? Though I do have shredded straw, I have to shred it even finer, because it won't work very good, if it's too crass (due to all the air holes etc). It's a lot more work than using just Coir/Verm or anything like this, because beside the shredding you have to shimmer the straw first or let it soak for at least 24 hours. Right now, I let cool down some half-shoebox sized plastic boxes, that are filled with a mixture of straw and cow manure, to spawn colonized Panaeolus Tropicalis rye seeds to it. I don't really know if you can use Coir/Verm for them but I didn't want to ask or search for too long, so I just use "ye good ol' method".
When it comes to Mono tub rehydrating, I must say, that I have no idea. I think I remember people telling it was just excessive misting, but I'm not sure, so better wait for somebody who DOES know for sure, to tell you!
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Re: WBS jars...Now what? [Re: Fahkface]
#7986185 - 02/06/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im thinking im going to do somewhere between 4-6 smaller sized monotubs here this summer.
Ive been a fan of the greenhouse method's for some time, but I really want to try my hand at a monotub.
Your method sounds pretty complex personally, especially since this will be my first bulk substrate, Id like to keep it as simple as possible
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