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RedRabbit
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I've asked this question before....
#7985744 - 02/06/08 07:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Now, I don't think i could be classified into a disorder category, but there are a few things that i often worry or get nervous about....
I have no known family predisposition to Schizophrenia,
if i can smoke green, salvia, eat mushrooms, roll on E, and am still normal...
am i cleared for schizophrenia??? or can it still develop...
I just ask after reading the new article on this website today... saying that people who smoke alot of pot have a 1% risk of developing schizophrenia.... EEP!
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I have yet to use the knowledge i learn on this site...
hee hee i should patent this!
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Caribou_Lou
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7985749 - 02/06/08 07:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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schizophrenia doesn't even exist, they don't diagnose it anymore.. I wouldn't be too concerned
if anything pot can induce psychosis.. but that's about the worst possible thing that can happen, and it's not common at all
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theorganicdomino
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7985769 - 02/06/08 07:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RedRabbit said: I just ask after reading the new article on this website today... saying that people who smoke alot of pot have a 1% risk of developing schizophrenia.... EEP!
Ah statistics - politicians' masturbation material.
I've wondered since that research why no-one's asked how many rastafarians are schizophrenics.
1% risk is piddling.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7985773 - 02/06/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Caribou_Lou said: schizophrenia doesn't even exist, they don't diagnose it anymore..
That's a fairly broad statement. Got any sources?
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stefan
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7985815 - 02/06/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just ask after reading the new article on this website today... saying that people who smoke alot of pot have a 1% risk of developing schizophrenia.... EEP!
about 1% of the general population develops schizophrenia.. (so that risk counts for non-pot smokers too)
it's possible that people who are prone to develop schizophrenia are more likely to smoke pot though so the chance gets an upper there
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schizophrenia doesn't even exist, they don't diagnose it anymore..
ofcoarse they do. who told yuou that?
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: stefan]
#7985889 - 02/06/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could develop schizophrenia. So could I. Just because you can take drugs without developing symptoms doesn't mean that you're home free.
Age of onset is generally 16-25, but people develop symptoms well beyond the age of 25.
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Caribou_Lou
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: stefan]
#7987147 - 02/06/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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schizophrenia is an extremely vague word that combines several mental disorders, people rarely have any more than one of them. it's not diagnosed as "schizophrenia" anymore.
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stefan
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7990479 - 02/07/08 03:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've worked in psychiatry last year and believe me, they do. (there are various subtypes though)
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7990589 - 02/07/08 05:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've got schizophrenia, it's not that bad, depending on the way you look at it, if you eradicate the fear that comes with it then it's just "strange".
I don't take meds either.
depression is the thing that has fucked me over more than schizophrenia ever could.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: stefan]
#7990624 - 02/07/08 06:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Schizophrenia is a very vague term. Worst thing is that no laboratory test exists to diagnose it, so doctors base their diagnosis on your self-reported experiences (as it is with many other mental diseases). Which basically boils down to that if you think you have schizophrenia (or want to have it), you will most likely be diagnosed with it.
Well, congratulations.
More and more people secretly enjoy being diagnosed as "schizophrenics", or "manic depressives", or having "ADHD" or "ADD" or whatever else disorders and syndromes exist there nowadays. It somehow makes them feel special, I guess, and, what is more important, it also makes a good scapegoat to your own mischiefs and misconducts etc. Plus all those pills you can get from your doctor. Yummy, eh?
I, however, think these people are assholes, discrediting actual people suffering from mental diseases, and avoiding personal responsibilities in life.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: ivi]
#7990638 - 02/07/08 06:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I, however, think these people are assholes, discrediting actual people suffering from mental diseases, and avoiding personal responsibilities in life.
coulnd't agree more
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: stefan]
#7991928 - 02/07/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it even considered a disease? Just seems more like a different modality of perception...and I think I got that from Altered States.
Also, don't believe that hogwash! If you have a family history of the schitz, then you're more likely to develop it. ANY drug can help to trigger it. If you're at risk you're just walking on a thinner line, but schizophrenia can manifest in anybody.
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RedRabbit
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Its not a disease,
i thought that most people develop schizophrenia before age 18....
and no one answered my question.
if you have used psycadelics before and never developed or had signs of schizophrenia...
does that prove that your not going to develop the condition?
-------------------- all posts and statements made are completely fictional, I greatly detest being associated with any illegal activites, In fact, I have never done anything illegal, I choose to learn about differant substances so that in the case where i might need to interact with them, I shall know alot about them, This is a principle in everything i do...
I have yet to use the knowledge i learn on this site...
hee hee i should patent this!
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7996234 - 02/08/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RedRabbit,
Anyone can develop schizophrenia from drug-use, whether they have a predisposition towards it or not. If you have a pre-disposition, your odds are astronomically higher than the regular joe though.
We're all human and we're all vulnerable. An extremely terrifying experience on psychedelics can do a number on you.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7996309 - 02/08/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RedRabbit said: Its not a disease,
i thought that most people develop schizophrenia before age 18....
and no one answered my question.
if you have used psycadelics before and never developed or had signs of schizophrenia...
does that prove that your not going to develop the condition?
It proves nothing. It is possible to develop symptoms of schizophrenia (and, call it whatever you like, but this has been the common name given to the medical condition) at any time. It is most commonly developed up to the age of 25, but can, more rarely, manifest at any time in life. People who experience the condition severely at a younger age will usually also outgrow, or overcome the symptoms to some degree by about 40-45 years of age, if they live that long. There are variations of the symptoms which include a diagnosis of drug induced schizophrenia. This happens with people who may be pre-disposed to the condition, or simply got carried away with drug use and ended up in a different "reality".
I tell you this from first hand family experience with both of the aspects of the diagnosis I described, and from working with others who have been afflicted from both aspects.
A really good insight into the manifestation and affects of the condition can be seen in the movie "A Beautiful Mind" with Russell Crowe.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7996319 - 02/08/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can still develop it. My roommate last year took some Adderal (he used to do it all the time) one day and just went nuts. After that he was diagnosed with "late-onset adolescent schizophrenia."
So no, you're not necessarily in the clear.
Edit: to those who claim that schizophrenia isn't a real disease and isn't diagnosed anymore... What are your sources? There is plenty of research out there supporting schizophrenia on a neurological basis. The main theory right now is that excess dopamine in the brain causes schizophrenia. This theory helps to explain why hardcore meth addicts often act schizophrenic (meth causes excess release of dopamine).
Take a look here: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2002/scans-link-2-key-pieces-of-schizophrenia-puzzle.shtml
Edited by Gumby (02/08/08 01:50 PM)
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RedRabbit
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: Gumby]
#7996431 - 02/08/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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....but the chances are still very low...
-------------------- all posts and statements made are completely fictional, I greatly detest being associated with any illegal activites, In fact, I have never done anything illegal, I choose to learn about differant substances so that in the case where i might need to interact with them, I shall know alot about them, This is a principle in everything i do...
I have yet to use the knowledge i learn on this site...
hee hee i should patent this!
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: RedRabbit]
#7996470 - 02/08/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You aren't just gonna randomly get schizophrenia. I do not think it's 100% genetic. And if drugs bring it out, you were probably gonna get it anyways.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: g00ru]
#7996543 - 02/08/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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guruu said: You aren't just gonna randomly get schizophrenia. I do not think it's 100% genetic.
Tell that to my batshit insane exroommate.
And it's not 100% genetic, but damn close. There are environmental factors that can cause it, but it all comes down to genes. It's not 100% hereditary, but the over production of dopamine is caused by a mutated or missing gene.
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: Gumby]
#7996561 - 02/08/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Schizophrenics supposedly have above average levels of dmt in their systems as well.
and to answer your question, no one can tell you whether or not you are 'in the clear'.
There is ALWAYS the risk, so just be aware of that.
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Edited by DontFearThePeepr (02/08/08 02:47 PM)
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Re: I've asked this question before.... [Re: Gumby]
#7996566 - 02/08/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think if you're worried about being insane you're not. at least a lot of people tell me that. phychiatrists included.
i kinda worry about drugs making me go crazy. like when i get really fucked up.
but the only time i ever get paranoid is when i'm afraid of getting caught on a deeper level. like if i have to sneak back in my parents house later on without waking anyone up or when i'm walking by a police dept at 3am really baked and drunk. this generally creates a bad high/trip i think.. the knowing.
as long as i don't have anything to worry about, everythings always excellent and thus no paranoia is created.
but to get back on topic, i think you're generally pretty safe, i have heard that you won't go nuts unless you already are nuts. then you snap. but i don't doubt you could develop some kind of shit if you let it. (i'm fairly certain this would take awhile and a lot of drug use).
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