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GGreatOne234
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The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic
#7985291 - 02/06/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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A platform for discussing weather related issues at a mushroom hunting forum that does not allow discussing weather (much).
So I ask everyone, what are your views on having this "rule", and if you are in favor of such a rule how would you suggest it could best be worded on the Rules Page?
I believe that up until a few years ago we did not have such a rule.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7985364 - 02/06/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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perhaps a seperate weather subforum for those who must discuss it and you need to have 100 posts at least to post in it. That way you won't have hundreds of noobs asking general questions like "can i pick goomz rite now pls help" but like people who know at least some basic mycology can discuss the weather, i dont know if this makes sense at all as i am currently on 2c-b
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7985388 - 02/06/08 12:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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A sub forum for general talk which could include weather (not gathering talk though, theres PM's and another forum for that)
hunting people stick to their own and stuff usually so theres never a place for general discussion because threads here get owned by mods with strict rules. It would probably be too much effort to police a sub section with different rules though, and unless there was a 100 post or X amount of days limit on the sub forum.
Or an official leet emo code talk =-O
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7985496 - 02/06/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just dont see how itll end up in the weather forum if you make it anyways... people will still be responding in threads like,
"Dude... should i go out and hunt tomorrow? its been a few days since rain."
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implee
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#7985538 - 02/06/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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usually only the noobs ask that... People JUST coming into the hunting forum but i dunno
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7985753 - 02/06/08 07:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats true...And most of us only discuss teh weather when the times are right... making post about the weather isn't cool Like CC says it add to much clutter to the forum If you were to do a search on weather ..you would come up with hundreds of results , and most of them are noobs asking about weather conditions
I say the rule is a good thing ,but for some of us who have been doing this for a while, who know the weather and when its right . Mentioning about it wouldn't be so bad..
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: RandomHero]
#7985870 - 02/06/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it should be ammended slightly, to allow for certain instances where it is ok. Not allowed, "DuuuDe bro, itz been dry 4 soooo long, when iz it gonna start pissin so I can get my trip on?" But what about when you start a thread about the great fall edibles you just found, and just want to mention that it was cooler than usual for that time of year, and that's why they started flushing. It seems like a bunch of people always chime in after that, from all kinds of random places though, whith irrelevent replies like, yeah homez, I'm illin it in South Africa, and itz been pourin 4 dayz!" So, I don't know. I think we should just leave it up to the mods to decide whether it's relevent or not. Maybe if the weather talk is actually informative leave it, if not cut it. Or, "I hate tight pants and sideways belts." I still gotta write that shit down.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
#7986201 - 02/06/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think the main problem with weather talk IS noobs asking when to go out after rain, and people complaining about how it isn't raining in their area. i think people should just learn from experience, you can't learn the art of mushroom hunting only from the hunting forum
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: casgoodie]
#7986281 - 02/06/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It might be annoying to hear about the weather, but that isn't a good enough reason to censor what people say.
Censorship should be saved for when its really needed, otherwise it has a stifling effect on the conversation and the only people who will participate in the forum are those who don't care if they get censored all the time and don't mind following nine different rules.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7986333 - 02/06/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think if we want to start talking about weather we will need to be very specific about what can and cant be talked about.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#7986558 - 02/06/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Late frost's piss me off, that is all.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
#7986793 - 02/06/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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snoot said: Late frost's piss me off, that is all.
Rules do blow, but snooters response is a perfect example of an annoying weather post. I guess if it is an important part of your post it's ok. Fuck, I don't know.
I guess I'm with Alan on this one. Just don't reply to an annoying ass weather question or comment. Seems doable to me. But I'm just a Montanan emo basher.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
#7986828 - 02/06/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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landsnorkler said: But what about when you start a thread about the great fall edibles you just found, and just want to mention that it was cooler than usual for that time of year, and that's why they started flushing. It seems like a bunch of people always chime in after that, from all kinds of random places though, whith irrelevent replies like, yeah homez, I'm illin it in South Africa, and itz been pourin 4 dayz!"
That is EXACTLY the problem. That is why, when i see a post that mentions the weather in passing, as a relevant and important note, I tend not to do anything. Unfortunately, it often turns into other people ruining the thread, complaining about their weather.
Alan, I don't mind losing potential users who will not follow the rules. They really tend to deter topics, unable to post anything novel and new. Rules, can be bad, very bad. But I think the rules here are in place for very good reason.
So you know, we might be losing some members who want to post about the weather and think the forum is too strict. But conversely, without these rules, I myself might not be here, along with perhaps a number of other regulars who don't have the time or interest to sift through dozens of off topic threads.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
#7986866 - 02/06/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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snoot said: Late frost's piss me off, that is all.
Rules do blow, but snooters response is a perfect example of an annoying weather post. I guess if it is an important part of your post it's ok. Fuck, I don't know.
I guess I'm with Alan on this one. Just don't reply to an annoying ass weather question or comment. Seems doable to me. But I'm just a Montanan emo basher.
well, I didnt think it was so ez to annoy that ass of your's :P
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
#7986872 - 02/06/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Honestly though, all the morel's around my parts where lost due to a hellishly late frost, killed off lots of stuff. Perhaps maybe it was an early thaw. But it helped the enoki's and killed the morel's.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7987015 - 02/06/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: It might be annoying to hear about the weather, but that isn't a good enough reason to censor what people say.
Censorship should be saved for when its really needed, otherwise it has a stifling effect on the conversation and the only people who will participate in the forum are those who don't care if they get censored all the time and don't mind following nine different rules.
Good point, Alan. Censorship is a slippery slope. A flat ban on weather discussion will stifle legitimate weather related topics. While I trust a moderator like CureCat to make a determination as to what is legitimate and what is not, I certainly don't trust a moderator like GGreatOne234.
It's a shame that GGreatOne234 is in the practice of locking threads that do not violate any rules because, in his estimation, the topic has been adequately addressed already. This forum is useful primarily because it is a dynamic source of information that reflects an evolving body of knowledge. Not everyone believes that a topic has been exhausted because MJshroomer wrote a 'guide' on it. These antics will spell the end to this forum.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: scout24]
#7987120 - 02/06/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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>Good point, Alan. Censorship is a slippery slope. A flat ban on >weather discussion will stifle legitimate weather related topics.
Although it is true, that not ALL weather discussion leads to pointless complaining, a lot of the time it does. You've seen it, I've seen it, the proof is there.
The BIG problem I have found, is that when I try and make exceptions, I get a LOT of complaints from new people who do not understand (because they have not been around long enough to see the problem for themselves) why THEIR post is being deleted, edited, or locked. Then they accuse me of singling them out.
They'll refer to a relevant weather comment in a thread, and say that their question "it's raining now, when should i go looking?" is equivalent, and that i am being bias.
That is why we have these blanket rules... so we can let the relevant discussion slide, and when someone asks why i didn't lock theirs, i try and explain that the rules are a guideline, and that the judgement is left to the moderators to enforce accordingly. So, if I see an informative or good question about weather, i'll often leave it open until people start making posts like: "Late frost's piss me off, that is all. "
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
#7987351 - 02/06/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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snoot said: Honestly though, all the morel's around my parts where lost due to a hellishly late frost, killed off lots of stuff. Perhaps maybe it was an early thaw. But it helped the enoki's and killed the morel's.
That just doesn't leave much room for discussion. If you've done any research on here or anywhere, you would know that generally, mushrooms don't like much frost. Snoot, I know you know your shit. So it doesn't annoy me. But it's just begging for others to chime in with other statements that say basically the same thing. I know that's not the intention, but that's what happens. I think it should be left to the mods, like always, to decide what's relevent. Maybe they could lax up a little bit, hehe. Everyone makes irrelevent comments. I do all the time. I just wait until the thread is meandering towards its death and then post random ass comments.
Edited by landsnorkler (02/06/08 03:44 PM)
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
#7987416 - 02/06/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you know I'll be honest, I'd didnt read any other post's but the first one before making that one.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
#7987440 - 02/06/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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landsnorkler said: I think it should be left to the mods, like always, to decide what's relevent. Maybe they could lax up a little bit, hehe.
Moderators should not be given unhindered power to determine what is relevant because it would take just one retarded moderator to drive the forum straight into the shitter. A secondary problem is that when a moderator makes a discretionary decision, they will face accusations of bias, as CC noted.
In my mind, it's a choice between 2 evils - strictly enforced rules or dictatorship by moderator. I'll take the former.
As I said, if the decision to edit/censor was left to CC, I'd probably feel alright about it. Unfortunately, we have another moderator here that likes to control the forum (and I'm not talking about Toxic or Shirley Knott - whoever that is).
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
#7987442 - 02/06/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hehe.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CureCat]
#7987544 - 02/06/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alan, I don't mind losing potential users who will not follow the rules. They really tend to deter topics, unable to post anything novel and new. Rules, can be bad, very bad. But I think the rules here are in place for very good reason.
So you know, we might be losing some members who want to post about the weather and think the forum is too strict. But conversely, without these rules, I myself might not be here, along with perhaps a number of other regulars who don't have the time or interest to sift through dozens of off topic threads.
I would rather be in the middle of a whole bunch of people chatting about the weather and mushrooms than be surrounded by a few people acting like cops.
Censoring weather related communications in a mushroom hunting forum is an uphill battle that can never be won. Like the war on drugs, its like trying to part the sea with a scoop shovel. We all know that the same scoop shovel can be used much more effectively transporting wood chips.
Also consider that a lot of good users may start out talking about the weather, and then move on to other subjects as they become more advanced. Censoring peoples posts when they first discover the forum gives them a queasy feeling about things and many will not come back.
Certainly we don't want a reputation of being anal about rules (which we are quickly beginning to acquire, you may notice, if you venture out of the hunting forum), that would be a real shame and would preclude all sorts of good conversation.
I don't like it when my posts get edited, that is one reason I don't post often on mycotopia. Seems that one in two of my posts over there get edited, and at the shroomery it is closer to one in 100.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CureCat]
#7987578 - 02/06/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So if I find a bunch of mushrooms and want to post some pictures to get some ID's, I can't describe the weather conditions?
*self-edit: That seems ridiculous.
Edited by adrug (02/06/08 04:43 PM)
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CureCat]
#7987602 - 02/06/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think legit people should definately be able to talk about the weather in legit ways. IDK i think its pretty weird how much you censor it CC. It is annoying when people post a new thread asking about weather, those should be deleted. But when a regular on the board starts talking about weather and you edit theyre post it weirds me out. Im not talking shit either i have a lot of respect for you and your cyans.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: 2859558484]
#7987657 - 02/06/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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IT JUST RAINED AND ITS 60 DEGREES DO U GUYZ THINK I WILL FIND SOME SHRUMZ WHAT KIND SHOULD I LOOK FOR I FOUND SOME WHITE MUSHROOMS WHAT ARE THEY CALLED ARE THY MAGIK?
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7987691 - 02/06/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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we might be losing some members who want to post about the weather and think the forum is too strict.
yes well, i welcome everyone to read and participate in this forum within reason. even scout24. you already sent your little letter to the administrators about why you think i should not be a moderator here so that is over with. move on.
alan, it is similar to the drug war, good comparison, that was something i was thinking about when i created this topic. i have been at this forum almost every day for a decade now. the weather rule was probably (very foggy memory) put into place just a few years ago. Gumby wrote it, he claimed that there were too many weather discussions, but i do not really remember it being too much of a problem really. it probably is not too much of a problem now either
i have not put much thought into it yet, but the weather rule will be slightly revised soon. thanks for everyones input, i wanted to hear what other people thought about it first
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: 2859558484]
#7987702 - 02/06/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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a good example of that wowitch was the official weilii topic from last year. it was not raining much and people were mentioning it, then cc claimed the topic would be locked if it did not stop and it mushroom clouded from there and it eventually had to be locked, by me, and i am the one who stickied it in the first place.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7987746 - 02/06/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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GGreatOne234 said: yes well, i welcome everyone to read and participate in this forum within reason. even scout24. you already sent your little letter to the administrators about why you think i should not be a moderator here so that is over with. move on.
I'll move on when you are no longer moderator or start following the rules. My posts are relevant and on-topic, so please resist the urge to censor them or lock the thread.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: scout24]
#7987778 - 02/06/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i never really noticed a problem, and thought the rule was a little silly, but weather is such an obvious topic. You just look outside or check weather.com
More in depth discussions about weather and mushrooms should be discussed and are but the rule has stopped alot of useless threads, where someone says, its raining are the shrooms growing? All they have to do is look.
It really should have more to do with the substance of the post not just because its about weather.

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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: sui]
#7987790 - 02/06/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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suimush said:
It really should have more to do with the substance of the post not just because its about weather.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CubensisCutter]
#7988073 - 02/06/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well my thread was about my two little crappy cubes then it came to my attention that a small storm system was currently about to pass over... I just want to be social with the texas people It not like its a NEW thread based on houston storm systems, it came a while after the original post =-O
Which stimulated a bit of emo code talk.
Hunters stick with hunters a lot of the time and sometimes its good to socialize instead of just posting statistics or current finds -=\
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7988127 - 02/06/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dude all i talk about with my local hunting buddy is the weather. Hes a redneck
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: 2859558484]
#7988140 - 02/06/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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im sure the occasional fishing talk comes up, or deer hunting season
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7988160 - 02/06/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can see a problem lacking some kind of regulations, espcially with noob's posting a bunch of threads asking good weather conditions are good for magic mushrooms to bloom. But I think the significance of weather is significant enough that I think it should just be up to the mods to control it. I think if there is a relevant enough topic to make a thread about, then why not. Aslong as its not something off the wall. Obviously with stricter rules, you still have nooblets running around breaking them and making such stupid posts regardless.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
#7988207 - 02/06/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Take a look at all the improper ID requests and "What mushrooms can i find now" posts lately. Its obvious this isnt going to 'stop' noobs from doing it.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7989009 - 02/06/08 08:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the rule should stay, as is.
I see no problem with passing discussion of weather, or questions about weather in a valid, open thread. the PNW/Cali/Southeast/Georgia threads for example. but threads made for the sole purpose of asking/telling people who read the forum about weather related issues in any certain region or whatever should not be left open. I moderated this forum for a couple seasons and it's getting close to the time of year when we get flooded with noobs posting their local forecasts and asking when to hunt, or asking how long they should wait after it rains to go hunt 4 b00merz, and numerous variations thereof. I think letting that shit slide would be a bad thing for the forum. People from all over the world read these forums and it sucks to have decent threads about mushroom hunting buried by local weather discussions/questions and bullshit like that.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: scout24]
#7989645 - 02/06/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: It might be annoying to hear about the weather, but that isn't a good enough reason to censor what people say.
Censorship should be saved for when its really needed, otherwise it has a stifling effect on the conversation and the only people who will participate in the forum are those who don't care if they get censored all the time and don't mind following nine different rules.
Good point, Alan. Censorship is a slippery slope. A flat ban on weather discussion will stifle legitimate weather related topics. While I trust a moderator like CureCat to make a determination as to what is legitimate and what is not, I certainly don't trust a moderator like GGreatOne234.
It's a shame that GGreatOne234 is in the practice of locking threads that do not violate any rules because, in his estimation, the topic has been adequately addressed already. This forum is useful primarily because it is a dynamic source of information that reflects an evolving body of knowledge. Not everyone believes that a topic has been exhausted because MJshroomer wrote a 'guide' on it. These antics will spell the end to this forum.
I agree completely, it seems that all too many topics are locked by GGreatone simply for having being discussed before, even if only in a cursory manner. Threads should not be locked for wanting to go into greater depth, you can never know too much about the mushrooms your picking.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7989711 - 02/06/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I improved your rating a bit for being a nicer person to me lately  
ITS SHOWER TIME NOW BYE YOU GUYS
Maybe a sub forum for general discussion should be put in the feeback section
Ill be back later i gotta get started on posting 100 posts in hunting today early. (this will count as my first post of the day)
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7989718 - 02/06/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe a sub forum for general discussion should be put in the feeback section
what a wonderful idea. you are a smart man.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CubensisCutter]
#7989743 - 02/06/08 11:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol yeah if someone doesnt make a post ill make one when i get back but i have a feeling ythan wont do it unless it was backed by some mods from here
I dont know if ythan would understand it though... I mean come on mushroom hunters like to talk about mycology meets they just went to, or fishing, or books or whatever and just have a general chat without the thread being locked... Its the fucking noobs that ruin it with their noob ass questions on weather and what mushrooms grow in my area and shit.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7989835 - 02/06/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Its the fucking noobs that ruin it with their noob ass questions on weather and what mushrooms grow in my area and shit.
Noobs are ok, they are trainable.
They are not the enemy. The real enemy doesn't even post in the hunting forum at all.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7989894 - 02/06/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well they ignore the rules which creates a flood of noobs asking for id's with no info or using .doc and .zip and .pdf files, or asking where they can find mushrooms at...
Thats what people say would be the problem with the sub forum for general talk they say it would get flooded with crap.. But if you apply rules + 100-500 post minimum or so many months before you can post, most of the talk would be us regulars chatting it up about whatever.
I understand noobs can be trained but they are the reason people think the general talk would fail, my first ID request was proper, and theirs should have been too =-O
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CubensisCutter]
#7990107 - 02/07/08 01:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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CubeCutter/everyone
the boys upstairs do not make new subforums every day really.. you can try of course..
i liked CubensisCutter's idea in PM to have a subforum called "Veteren Hunters" or something along those lines. but that, i am not sure either, just another idea, i really need to get some sleep at this point
another suggestion might be to have a "Mushroom Hunting Chat" room link.. other forums have them there, i do not see why we do not have one.. actually maybe we do (i do not go into chat often), but a seperate link on the main page underneath the hunting forum link might draw more people in there to discuss the subjects
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7990958 - 02/07/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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They are not the enemy. The real enemy doesn't even post in the hunting forum at all.
some pretty true words from alan. I dont have a big problem looking over the redundant posts and just following the good ones.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7999271 - 02/09/08 07:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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#hunting?
I think that's a great idea. I just registered the channel on our IRC server. Now, if we could get some people in there besides me, that would be awesome!
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: adrug]
#7999421 - 02/09/08 08:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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A separate chat room is a great idea.
I don't think the perdorkers are going to figure it out and start posting in there first, but at least we can say that there IS a place for the discussion.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: CureCat]
#7999433 - 02/09/08 09:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does shroomery irc have SSL or what? Its not working for me so i dont think so
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7999435 - 02/09/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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9999 got it
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#7999438 - 02/09/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, it has ssl. The port is +9999!
Maybe you could have them put a link to the chat room in the forum listing, sort of like the other chat room links?
Eventually I will be putting an infobot in there with the help of my sexy nerd man, and we can program the bot factoids with links to specific questions and answers. Much easier than explaining things all the time.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: adrug]
#7999729 - 02/09/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I personally don't see a problem if the topic is legitimate but involves some weather talk. Certainly I agree on the "OMFG IT JUST RAINED WILL I FIND MAGIC MUSHIES?1" being annoying, but those noobs will post something njust as annoying in another manner unrelated to weather anyway.
After all, weather is a critical and key factor for mushroom hunting, it doesn't make sense to say discussion isn't allowed at all.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Maverick]
#7999740 - 02/09/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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plus being excited that rain is coming in your own thread shouldnt be deleted
ex: posting pictures then saying something like 'ooh shit its about to rain'
Ythan said if enough interest was showed he would make a sub forum for general talk though  
i just hope one rule is applied, NO NOOBZ ALLOWED
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
#8000965 - 02/09/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe a rule barring all discussion of habitat should be imposed and strictly enforced. Sure, understanding the role habitat plays in the life cycle of fungi is a crucial factor in successful mushrooms hunting, but it can lead to off topic posts about cow poo.
The shroomery hunting forum doesn't exactly exemplify the standard within the realm of field mycology, nor should it. How difficult can it be to strike a balance between casual discussion related to mushroom hunting including such factors as weather, habitat and season, without permitting it all to crumble amidst a deluge of pointlessly redundant questions?
Sure, it's annoying to sift through posts about rain and boomerz but these threads do fade from the front pages pretty fast... especially if such posts are not discourteously rebuked by non-mods attempting to belittle the "noobs" - but then again... maybe we should put the weather posters into concentration camps!!!! Personally I would lock such threads only if necessary, otherwise just let them go without needless overreaction... Patience is a virtue.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
#10441694 - 06/02/09 02:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If newbies can't post and discuss weather, where are they supposed to find the information they're looking for? I may be missing something but I've looked all through the FAQs, recommend reading, links, etc.. and haven't found much info related to weather at all. I've done thread searches and found more newb bashing than anything else.
Yeah, newbie questions are annoying, but if they irritate people that much then just don't click/read/respond. I came to this community because it seems like a great bank of knowledge, but it's a little discouraging to hear such bad attitudes.
Perhaps a sticky or article on weather would help if the community doesn't feel like helping the new ones out.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: gemini_mind]
#10442139 - 06/02/09 03:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If newbies can't post and discuss weather, where are they supposed to find the information they're looking for?
I use http://accuweather.com
Also the weather underground is quite good.
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I may be missing something but I've looked all through the FAQs, recommend reading, links, etc.. and haven't found much info related to weather at all.
That is because the weather is always changing, and its different in every area. If I was to add weather forecasts to the FAQ I would have to update it nearly every day.
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but it's a little discouraging to hear such bad attitudes.
Most of the bad attitudes are in really old posts. There isn't much that can be done about those.
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Perhaps a sticky or article on weather would help if the community doesn't feel like helping the new ones out.
Weather discussions are all the same, it gets old real quick. They go pretty much like this: Has it been raining in the past week? Is the mushroom you are looking for in season? If the answer to both questions is yes, go to the proper habitat and get the mushrooms. If the answer to either question is no, you are extremely unlikely to find the mushrooms no matter how long you look.
The answer to the first question can be found on several web sites. The weather underground even gives you history data so you can see how much it has been raining in a certain area.
The answer to the second question can be found easily by using google, looking up the date of the type collection, or searching the hunting forum and noting the date of the other finds.
So what is it exactly that you want to ask but aren't allowed to because of the weather rule?
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: gemini_mind]
#10442159 - 06/02/09 03:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking in my crystal ball it tells me mushrooms like humidity. Lots of it.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10449737 - 06/03/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: So what is it exactly that you want to ask but aren't allowed to because of the weather rule?
Sorry, I guess I was misunderstanding the discussion. I was just wondering specifics as far as what types of climates are necessary and growth periods etc.. I'll just use scroogle. thank you for replying.
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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: German Kahuna]
#10450038 - 06/03/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: Looking in my crystal ball it tells me mushrooms like humidity. Lots of it.
HAHAHA i saw the same thing in my crystal ball...
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