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The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic
    #7985291 - 02/06/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A platform for discussing weather related issues at a
mushroom hunting forum that does not allow discussing
weather (much).

So I ask everyone, what are your views on having this "rule",
and if you are in favor of such a rule how would you suggest it
could best be worded on the Rules Page?

I believe that up until a few years ago we did not have such a
rule.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7985364 - 02/06/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

perhaps a seperate weather subforum for those who must discuss it and you need to have 100 posts at least to post in it. That way you won't have hundreds of noobs asking general questions like "can i pick goomz rite now pls help" but like people who know at least some basic mycology can discuss the weather, i dont know if this makes sense at all as i am currently on 2c-b


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7985388 - 02/06/08 12:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A sub forum for general talk which could include weather (not gathering talk though, theres PM's and another forum for that)

hunting people stick to their own and stuff usually so theres never a place for general discussion because threads here get owned by mods with strict rules. It would probably be too much effort to police a sub section with different rules though, and unless there was a 100 post or X amount of days limit on the sub forum.

Or an official leet emo code talk =-O


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
    #7985496 - 02/06/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I just dont see how itll end up in the weather forum if you make it anyways... people will still be responding in threads like,

"Dude... should i go out and hunt tomorrow? its been a few days since rain."


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7985538 - 02/06/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

usually only the noobs ask that... People JUST coming into the hunting forum but i dunno


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: implee]
    #7985753 - 02/06/08 07:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thats true...And most of us only discuss teh weather when the times are right... making post about the weather isn't cool
Like CC says it add to much clutter to the forum
If you were to do a search on weather ..you would come up with hundreds of results , and most of them are noobs asking about weather conditions

I say the rule is a good thing ,but for some of us who have been doing this for a while, who know the weather and when its right .
Mentioning about it wouldn't be so bad..


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: RandomHero]
    #7985870 - 02/06/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think it should be ammended slightly, to allow for certain instances where it is ok. Not allowed, "DuuuDe bro, itz been dry 4 soooo long, when iz it gonna start pissin so I can get my trip on?" But what about when you start a thread about the great fall edibles you just found, and just want to mention that it was cooler than usual for that time of year, and that's why they started flushing. It seems like a bunch of people always chime in after that, from all kinds of random places though, whith irrelevent replies like, yeah homez, I'm illin it in South Africa, and itz been pourin 4 dayz!" So, I don't know. I think we should just leave it up to the mods to decide whether it's relevent or not. Maybe if the weather talk is actually informative leave it, if not cut it. Or, "I hate tight pants and sideways belts." I still gotta write that shit down.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
    #7986201 - 02/06/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think the main problem with weather talk IS noobs asking when to go out after rain, and people complaining about how it isn't raining in their area. i think people should just learn from experience, you can't learn the art of mushroom hunting only from the hunting forum


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: casgoodie]
    #7986281 - 02/06/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It might be annoying to hear about the weather, but that isn't a good enough reason to censor what people say.

Censorship should be saved for when its really needed, otherwise it has a stifling effect on the conversation and the only people who will participate in the forum are those who don't care if they get censored all the time and don't mind following nine different rules.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7986333 - 02/06/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think if we want to start talking about weather we will need to be very specific about what can and cant be talked about.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7986558 - 02/06/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Late frost's piss me off, that is all. :boobs:


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
    #7986793 - 02/06/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Late frost's piss me off, that is all. :boobs:




Rules do blow, but snooters response is a perfect example of an annoying weather post.  I guess if it is an important part of your post it's ok.  Fuck, I don't know.

I guess I'm with Alan on this one.  Just don't reply to an annoying ass weather question or comment.  Seems doable to me.  But I'm just a Montanan emo basher.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
    #7986828 - 02/06/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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But what about when you start a thread about the great fall edibles you just found, and just want to mention that it was cooler than usual for that time of year, and that's why they started flushing. It seems like a bunch of people always chime in after that, from all kinds of random places though, whith irrelevent replies like, yeah homez, I'm illin it in South Africa, and itz been pourin 4 dayz!"



That is EXACTLY the problem. That is why, when i see a post that mentions the weather in passing, as a relevant and important note, I tend not to do anything. Unfortunately, it often turns into other people ruining the thread, complaining about their weather.



Alan, I don't mind losing potential users who will not follow the rules. They really tend to deter topics, unable to post anything novel and new.
Rules, can be bad, very bad. But I think the rules here are in place for very good reason.

So you know, we might be losing some members who want to post about the weather and think the forum is too strict.
But conversely, without these rules, I myself might not be here, along with perhaps a number of other regulars who don't have the time or interest to sift through dozens of off topic threads.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
    #7986866 - 02/06/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

snoot said:
Late frost's piss me off, that is all. :boobs:




Rules do blow, but snooters response is a perfect example of an annoying weather post.  I guess if it is an important part of your post it's ok.  Fuck, I don't know.

I guess I'm with Alan on this one.  Just don't reply to an annoying ass weather question or comment.  Seems doable to me.  But I'm just a Montanan emo basher.





well, I didnt think it was so ez to annoy that ass of your's :P


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
    #7986872 - 02/06/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly though, all the morel's around my parts where lost due to a hellishly late frost, killed off lots of stuff. Perhaps maybe it was an early thaw. But it helped the enoki's and killed the morel's. :frown:


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7987015 - 02/06/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It might be annoying to hear about the weather, but that isn't a good enough reason to censor what people say.

Censorship should be saved for when its really needed, otherwise it has a stifling effect on the conversation and the only people who will participate in the forum are those who don't care if they get censored all the time and don't mind following nine different rules.




Good point, Alan. Censorship is a slippery slope. A flat ban on weather discussion will stifle legitimate weather related topics. While I trust a moderator like CureCat to make a determination as to what is legitimate and what is not, I certainly don't trust a moderator like GGreatOne234.

It's a shame that GGreatOne234 is in the practice of locking threads that do not violate any rules because, in his estimation, the topic has been adequately addressed already. This forum is useful primarily because it is a dynamic source of information that reflects an evolving body of knowledge. Not everyone believes that a topic has been exhausted because MJshroomer wrote a 'guide' on it. These antics will spell the end to this forum.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: scout24]
    #7987120 - 02/06/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

>Good point, Alan. Censorship is a slippery slope. A flat ban on
>weather discussion will stifle legitimate weather related topics.

Although it is true, that not ALL weather discussion leads to pointless complaining, a lot of the time it does.  You've seen it, I've seen it, the proof is there.

The BIG problem I have found, is that when I try and make exceptions, I get a LOT of complaints from new people who do not understand (because they have not been around long enough to see the problem for themselves) why THEIR post is being deleted, edited, or locked.  Then they accuse me of singling them out.

They'll refer to a relevant weather comment in a thread, and say that their question "it's raining now, when should i go looking?" is equivalent, and that i am being bias.

That is why we have these blanket rules... so we can let the relevant discussion slide, and when someone asks why i didn't lock theirs, i try and explain that the rules are a guideline, and that the judgement is left to the moderators to enforce accordingly. 
So, if I see an informative or good question about weather, i'll often leave it open until people start making posts like:
"Late frost's piss me off, that is all. :boobs: "


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: snoot]
    #7987351 - 02/06/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Honestly though, all the morel's around my parts where lost due to a hellishly late frost, killed off lots of stuff. Perhaps maybe it was an early thaw. But it helped the enoki's and killed the morel's. :frown:




That just doesn't leave much room for discussion.  If you've done any research on here or anywhere, you would know that generally, mushrooms don't like much frost.  Snoot, I know you know your shit. So it doesn't annoy me.  But it's just begging for others to chime in with other statements that say basically the same thing.  I know that's not the intention, but that's what happens.
I think it should be left to the mods, like always, to decide what's relevent.  Maybe they could lax up a little bit, hehe. 
Everyone makes irrelevent comments.  I do all the time.  I just wait until the thread is meandering towards its death and then post random ass comments.


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
    #7987416 - 02/06/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you know I'll be honest, I'd didnt read any other post's but the first one before making that one. :hulk:


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Re: The Official Mushroom Hunting Weather Discussion Rule Topic [Re: landsnorkler]
    #7987440 - 02/06/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think it should be left to the mods, like always, to decide what's relevent. Maybe they could lax up a little bit, hehe.





Moderators should not be given unhindered power to determine what is relevant because it would take just one retarded moderator to drive the forum straight into the shitter. A secondary problem is that when a moderator makes a discretionary decision, they will face accusations of bias, as CC noted.

In my mind, it's a choice between 2 evils - strictly enforced rules or dictatorship by moderator. I'll take the former.

As I said, if the decision to edit/censor was left to CC, I'd probably feel alright about it. Unfortunately, we have another moderator here that likes to control the forum (and I'm not talking about Toxic or Shirley Knott - whoever that is).


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