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Invisibleafoaf
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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7986058 - 02/06/08 09:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

can you articulate any meaningful element of Obama or Clinton's platforms?

listen to these fucks...they haven't said one concrete thing.

in that regard I have no clue what you expect Obama to actually do if
he were to be elected anyways.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7986130 - 02/06/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You talk as if Obama vs. Clinton wasn't just a race for who will be the figurehead for the democratic party.

I am for Obama over Hillary primarily because I think McCain will wipe the floor with Hillary whereas Obama will prove a more difficult target. And I don't want McCain to be president, so both Obama and Hillary represent the lesser of two evils to me. Their platforms aren't that different, in terms of the issues most Americans are immediately concerned with.


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Re: not so fast... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7986144 - 02/06/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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If he received $33 million in one month from nothing but individual donors, then that is an incredible, very impressive feat. The FEC reports should demonstrate if he's telling the truth or not. The real question, it seems, is if he has/will sell-out. I'll definitely have to check it out...






"Obama, won the most contributions from the pharmaceutical manufacturers industry, with $155,000"


"Democrat Hillary Clinton edged out Barack Obama for the most money raised from Wall Street at the end of the year with $5.8 million, compared to his $5.3 million."



Nuclear Energy Company Backs Obama's Bid :thumbup:



"Democrat Barack Obama has come under fire for his ties to Exelon Corp, the largest operator of nuclear reactors in the United States and one of his most generous financial backers. When Exelon failed to disclose radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, Obama tried to push through a bill in the Senate last year that required such plants to notify state and local authorities of such cases, the New York Times reported last week. According to the Times, the final proposal was a watered-down version of the original legislation that "played into the hands of the nuclear power industry." Obama has collected at least $222,000 from Exelon employees for his presidential campaign, making the company his eighth largest contributor last year"


http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=335


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7986148 - 02/06/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Their platforms aren't that different, in terms of the issues most Americans are immediately concerned with.




True dat, which is why it would be a major disaster for either of them to become next president of the United States. However, Obama is even MORE to the left than Hillary. He's been rated the most Liberal senator by numerous organizations. More liberal than John Kerry, more liberal than even Ted freaking Kennedy.

Lord knows McCain is nothing more than a Democrat with an (R) after his name, but he's for sure less a Commie than either of those two.




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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Phred]
    #7986477 - 02/06/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's so unbelievably fucking close right now between Obama and Hilary. He's ahead by FOUR delegates.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #7986570 - 02/06/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, I think he probably got 4 more delegates yesterday.

But she is still up in total delegates.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #7998852 - 02/09/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Superdelegates man, SUPERdelegates. SUPERMOTHERFUCKIN' Delegates, alright?

Then you have Megadelegates...


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Viveka]
    #7999098 - 02/09/08 03:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Obama is my man, for one he would stop the raids on medical marijuana in states where it is legal. Certainly a step in the right direction.

He also supports drug courts over prison.

He supports doubling money to universities for clean energy, and green initiatives.

He also believes in a single payer health-care system.

As I said he is my choice, and will be the next president of the United states.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Smackshadow]
    #7999611 - 02/09/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Smackshadow said:
He also believes in a single payer health-care system.




No he doesn't. He believes in changing the way government interacts with insurance companies, and in pretty drastic ways, but is not looking to create a single payer health care system.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7999750 - 02/09/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Virus_with_Shoes said:
Obama would have scorched the general election, Hillary will have her ass handed to her. The Republicans will win this election and we will get the same shit for 4 more years.




Its far from over yet.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: bradmassive]
    #7999801 - 02/09/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hope you're right.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7999882 - 02/09/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Virus_with_Shoes said:
I hope you're right.




Me too.


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7999886 - 02/09/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Virus_with_Shoes said:
I hope you're right.




Louisiana, Washington State, and Nebraska have caucus' or primaries today and then Maine tomorrow. Since these are almost all caucus' and not primaries it stands to reason that the winner of these can gain some serious ground on the other party. Barack is great in a caucus.

I think he's behind by 50-60 delegates, depending on who's numbers you believe. There are at least 150 delegates at stake today.

I think he's ahead by the end of the day.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7999986 - 02/09/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That is good news!


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: bradmassive]
    #7999991 - 02/09/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've been wrong before.


More than once.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8000551 - 02/09/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
I've been wrong before.


More than once.




Me too


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: bradmassive]
    #8002401 - 02/09/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

But it looks like not this time.

:tongue2:


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: No We Can't!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8002406 - 02/09/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

YAY! Right on the money, Madtown  :awesome::thumbup:


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Re: not so fast... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8002453 - 02/09/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

At first I was all into the election. Excited about change. But now I can see every thing is gonna be the same. So sad.
Were all fuct anyway


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Re: not so fast... [Re: Cubie]
    #8007658 - 02/11/08 04:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, maybe you're fucked, but the rest of us are doing pretty good. :hehehe:

Anyone who reads the Blueprint for Change of Obama's will see that he is talking about real change. He has to campaign to the majority of stupid Americans, so its not like he can get too intellectual with them. At the same time, there's his entire platform and presentation of who he is and what he will do. :thumbup:


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