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poof
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RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization?
#7984821 - 02/05/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive read a few posts where he reccommends adding the limestone, hydrated lime and gypsum to the dry peat "before hydrating". Im guessing he means before pasturization, but wouldnt you lose your PH adjusters to the leftover water? And whats the point of adding them all together dry in the first place?
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: poof]
#7984839 - 02/05/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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to evenly distribute the material... i often test a sample of my sub for ph after past. and i never get any ph fluctuations
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RogerRabbit
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: hazey]
#7984932 - 02/05/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Correct. Mix dry ingredients together, and then bring moisture content to field capacity proir to pasteurization. This procedure assumes you're going to pasteurize in bags or jars, not a pillow case type method. RR
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7984956 - 02/05/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pillow Case Methods blow donkey ballz.... 1. Messy 2. Leaches Nutrients 3. Fucks Up Moisture Content
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poof
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#7986684 - 02/06/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh, i dont use the pillowcase method or jars. I just throw my stuff in a pot of water and stir frequently. Ive found that for pasturizing both casing and substrate materials, that it would often overcook the outside and undercook the inside when they were in something like a pillowcase. It does it even when i forget to stir, where the bottom layer will trap the heat and go beyond the scope of pasturization and the top floating layer to be way under temp, and i cant imagine how something like using a container to pasteurize would work given this.
Anyways, i agree, ive done the pillowcase method before and its a messy pain in the ass. I just got some screen from the hardware store and just filter it through there. Then i collect the leechwater and add to it untill i get the correct moisture. Usually i get half the water back into it after adding the fillers so theres usually minimal loss of nutes (which doesnt apply to casing cause there arent any nutes).
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: poof]
#7986784 - 02/06/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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why don't u use quart jars? get the mouisture content right then load the jars cover with aluminum foil no lids. then poke ur meat themoter through the aluminum foil in the middle jar. that way mousture content is right and if you need more than 4 to 6 jars of casing you need another method anyways. (bring water 3/4 way up the jar in stock pot
also i would recommend coir and verm. you don't need any adjustment with the ph.... also wouldn't recommend using peat unless u have experience with it or have a ph meter
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: poof]
#7986791 - 02/06/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
poof said: oh, i dont use the pillowcase method or jars. I just throw my stuff in a pot of water and stir frequently. Ive found that for pasturizing both casing and substrate materials, that it would often overcook the outside and undercook the inside when they were in something like a pillowcase. It does it even when i forget to stir, where the bottom layer will trap the heat and go beyond the scope of pasturization and the top floating layer to be way under temp, and i cant imagine how something like using a container to pasteurize would work given this.
Anyways, i agree, ive done the pillowcase method before and its a messy pain in the ass. I just got some screen from the hardware store and just filter it through there. Then i collect the leechwater and add to it untill i get the correct moisture. Usually i get half the water back into it after adding the fillers so theres usually minimal loss of nutes (which doesnt apply to casing cause there arent any nutes).
no offense but that sounds like a huge mess
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poof
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Re: RR suggested to add ph adjusters before casing pasturization? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#7989246 - 02/06/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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quite a huge mess indeed, by the time im done there is usually shit all over the walls. Hell, i even got in bed once afterwards and found a big pie sitting right there under the sheets.
anyways, my point was that when you use a container and only measure the temp of the core, then by the time your core as reached 160F, the outer layer is probably well over 180F and no longer pasturized, but sterilized. Kind of like microwaving a ham. I suppose if you brought the temp up over a 6 hour period it would work, but hey, what do i know, just something to consider.
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