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Knoa6
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Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store
#7984556 - 02/05/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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 Now if I am not mistaken these so called "Hens & Chicks" are actually somniferum. These being sold on Wally's Americansuperbuyworld shelves pretty much gives the states the ok to grow as much opium poppy as you want; unless,of course, you are actually caught processing, right? The packets read "Dry Pods for Arrangements" This eases my paranoia of having an outdoor poppy garden! All my indoor attempts failed.
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SaintDunsmere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Knoa6]
#7984699 - 02/05/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's WalMart for ya
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opensaysme
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: SaintDunsmere]
#7984719 - 02/05/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea i wonder what the laws specify. could you have a whole backyard full of poppy plants legally as long as you show no probability of processing it into scheduled substances?
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biospun
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: opensaysme]
#7984762 - 02/05/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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now that's an idea....hmmm....we should lobby for such legislation
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scruffymafia
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: opensaysme]
#7984808 - 02/05/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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They can only prosecute you if you have plants plus processing/opium paraphernalia or plants that are obviously being milked.
I really really really really doubt that you would ever get schnapped. Opium poppies grow fuckin everywhere.
NZ and US drug laws are pretty similar, there is a motorway here that has a thick belt (about 100m deep) of Papaver somniferum plants (confirmed by opium fiend friend of mine) for 30km straight. The road leads to our drug capital city, haha so you always see people "exploring" on the side of the road.
You would need to be a fucken retard to make it that obvious you are making/harvesting opium to get caught.
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: scruffymafia]
#7985339 - 02/06/08 12:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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LOL "dry pods for arrangements"
yeaaaaahhhhh ok, will get right to it.
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scruffymafia
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Psy Baba]
#7985425 - 02/06/08 01:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Arggh! My words just fell off the screen, happy for free then come back.
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Coaster
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: scruffymafia]
#7985457 - 02/06/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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walmart is chalk full of drug goodies they have viX, DXM, pressure cookers, mason jars, binkies, verm, poppies, dmt ok well maybe not dmt but still they are pretty chill although the people who shop there are fucking ugly
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: scruffymafia]
#7985459 - 02/06/08 01:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is my exact stance on what the laws concerning plants should be!
All plants should be 100% legal to cultivate unless they are being processed into drugs.
All living and dried plants, cacti and fungi should be 100% legal!
So this would mean that people could grow any psychoactive botanical they wanted and as long as they kept the processing and ingestion out of veiw, inside their homes, they could produce enough material for personal use.
Those selling processed plants would be arrested.
This would keep dumbasses from ingesting powerful drugs, because you would have to grow it to be able to do it basically....
Things like pure DMT, heroin, Meth, cocaine would be illegal...
But things like Ayahuasca, Trichocereus and Peyote Cacti, Mushrooms, Salvia, etc.... These things would all remain legal.... In both their living and dried forms. (Mushrooms )
Sadly (for some of you) salvia extracts would be illegal...
But I really don't give a fuck. 
I'm good with smoking my sally leaf, munching on my Peyote, and sipping my pod tea....
The communities stance on drugs should be this- "All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
People might actually buy that!
The Government, nor the people of the World will ever allow ALL drugs to be legal...
Why?
Because meth is bad...
Because Heroin is bad....
You people in the ODD need to get the fuck over that and stop doing that shit!
Don't shoot heroin! Smoke Opium!!!
Don't smoke meth! Chew Khat!!!
So...
Legal plants, cacti and fungi!!!
Anyways...that's my ideas on drug laws.
Quote:
"All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
~Teotzlcoatl~
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casgoodie
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7985495 - 02/06/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the reason psychodelic drugs are illegal is that they are mind expanding, and the government doesn't want people to question them or think
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FarFromHere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: casgoodie]
#7985503 - 02/06/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is true.
But people do think...
And it would be easier to conveince people that plants should be legal, instead of trying to conveince them that ALL drugs should be legal.
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casgoodie
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7985564 - 02/06/08 02:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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definately, nothing that is natural should be illegal.
it's like the differences between:
coca leaves/ cocaine, crack
poppy/ opium, heroin
ayahuasca/ dmt crystals
when something is processed it becomes more of a street or party drug, with potential for abuse and definate potential for trafficking and abuse. basically,organics should be kept legal, if someone feels the need to try something, let them grow it.
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badreligion2good
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7986049 - 02/06/08 09:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I fail to see how smoking opium is really any better than shooting heroin. They are both highly addictive, and they both produce similar withdraw symptoms. Smoking opium destroyed many peoples live through out history, probably many more then Heroin. Sounds pretty hypocritical and stupid to me.
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Teragon
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7986054 - 02/06/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're such an ignorant moron.
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johnm214



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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Teragon]
#7986067 - 02/06/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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all somniferums are specifically illegal under the drug statutes in the US. There is no exception for decorative use. Additionally, you could be prosecuted by the chemical contents of the pods.
That said, I'm not aware of any prosecutions where there was not intent to consume evident, but that doesn't mean the law requires it, just that cultivation for decorative use is to some extent tolerated. That a particular store sells them is no defense.
And the selective prosecution laws are pretty worthless in most cases... you've really got to show inent to go after you when others weren't prosecuted due to political or racial factors. Hard sell.
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: scruffymafia]
#7986072 - 02/06/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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scruffymafia said: They can only prosecute you if you have plants plus processing/opium paraphernalia or plants that are obviously being milked.
I really really really really doubt that you would ever get schnapped. Opium poppies grow fuckin everywhere.
NZ and US drug laws are pretty similar, there is a motorway here that has a thick belt (about 100m deep) of Papaver somniferum plants (confirmed by opium fiend friend of mine) for 30km straight. The road leads to our drug capital city, haha so you always see people "exploring" on the side of the road.
You would need to be a fucken retard to make it that obvious you are making/harvesting opium to get caught.
in the US the opium poppy itself, save for the seed, is illegal. There is no requirement for any additional elements for a prosecution for possesion/ manufacture of the poppy or morphine.
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Knoa6
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7987328 - 02/06/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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FarFromHere said: You people in the ODD need to get the fuck over that and stop doing that shit!
Stop trying to push your ideals on other people. You live the way you choose to and let others do the same. Who are you to condone and condemn the forms of substances and methods of administration people choose? If you feel the use of synthetic substances is bad then don't do it and set an example, But please don't insult and condemn the the other members of this board for the way they choose to live. You believe in liberty don't you?
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7987352 - 02/06/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Teragon said: You're such an ignorant moron.
Edited by Rah (02/07/08 01:00 PM)
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Knoa6
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: badreligion2good]
#7987371 - 02/06/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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badreligion2good said: I fail to see how smoking opium is really any better than shooting heroin. They are both highly addictive, and they both produce similar withdraw symptoms. Smoking opium destroyed many peoples live through out history, probably many more then Heroin. Sounds pretty hypocritical and stupid to me.
So you believe both the botanical specimen it's self and the chemical extracts and derivatives of the plant should be controlled by our government? Smoking opium has relieved stress, induced creativity, stopped anxiety and eased pain for many more people than it has ruined lives.
Again, this forum is not for sharing your ideals.
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Dioxyde
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7987375 - 02/06/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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FarFromHere said: This is my exact stance on what the laws concerning plants should be!
All plants should be 100% legal to cultivate unless they are being processed into drugs.
All living and dried plants, cacti and fungi should be 100% legal!
So this would mean that people could grow any psychoactive botanical they wanted and as long as they kept the processing and ingestion out of veiw, inside their homes, they could produce enough material for personal use.
Those selling processed plants would be arrested.
This would keep dumbasses from ingesting powerful drugs, because you would have to grow it to be able to do it basically....
Things like pure DMT, heroin, Meth, cocaine would be illegal...
But things like Ayahuasca, Trichocereus and Peyote Cacti, Mushrooms, Salvia, etc.... These things would all remain legal.... In both their living and dried forms. (Mushrooms )
Sadly (for some of you) salvia extracts would be illegal...
But I really don't give a fuck. 
I'm good with smoking my sally leaf, munching on my Peyote, and sipping my pod tea....
The communities stance on drugs should be this- "All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
People might actually buy that!
The Government, nor the people of the World will ever allow ALL drugs to be legal...
Why?
Because meth is bad...
Because Heroin is bad....
You people in the ODD need to get the fuck over that and stop doing that shit!
Don't shoot heroin! Smoke Opium!!!
Don't smoke meth! Chew Khat!!!
So...
Legal plants, cacti and fungi!!!
Anyways...that's my ideas on drug laws.
Quote:
"All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
~Teotzlcoatl~
Eh I really hate to personify chemicals, but I'd agree on the meth (but keep in mind I also feel the same way about alcohol). My girlfriend can't even remember 3 years of her life, and I just hate the way it kills peoples inhibitions and turns them into impulsive animals (which has happened to everyone I know who started doing it, at some point, some sooner than others), all the while not really giving you anything real or beneficial to take away from the experience. Were only human, some things we just can't handle, I've never seen anyone "handle" crystal, and that's from first hand experience, not from being brainwashed by propaganda on tv. If meth and alcohol didn't exist I would be okay with that :/
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Edited by Dioxyde (02/06/08 03:57 PM)
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badreligion2good
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Knoa6]
#7987565 - 02/06/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do not see how you drew all those conclusions from my statement. I was speaking specifically to Teo, about how he is an idiot for acting as though the heroin users in this community are somehow less "correct" then the opium smokers. Thats a double standard.
Of course I do not think the government should have the level of control it has. Again, I fail to see where you drew those conclusions from.
As for what I said about opium. Its true. Opiate addiction has been a plague to many cultures, and it continues to produce problems. That does not mean that these drugs can't be used responsibly. Its just a historical fact. Yes it has been inspiring, and relaxing, yes, it has plagued many cultures. Neither of us can deny both of those facts.
If you feel this forum is not for opinions, then perhaps you should have responded to me with a pm, rather then on the board.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: badreligion2good]
#7991262 - 02/07/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I want both meth and distilled alcohol to be illegal.
That's right, fuck vodka, give me a beer!
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Legoulash
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7991621 - 02/07/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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:cough: Neoteonazi

And btw, the bulk section of your grocer is much cheaper than anywhere.. Not guarantied to be viable, but its a good bet.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Legoulash]
#7991629 - 02/07/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Neoteonazi
Teo-neo-nazi!
Hey Teo-Neo sounds kinda cool...
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Knoa6
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7991648 - 02/07/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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FarFromHere said:
Quote:
Neoteonazi
Teo-neo-nazi!
Hey Teo-Neo sounds kinda cool...
But your also a Nazi for thinking that people should arrested for possession of liquor or synthetic opiates, but not for beer or opium. I don't understand how you convince yourself of such absurdity.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Knoa6]
#7991722 - 02/07/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe all drugs should be legal...
BUT from a prespective of having the laws changed...
I say we lobby to get plants legalized, not ALL drugs.
I am an anarchist.
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Knoa6
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7991736 - 02/07/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
FarFromHere said: I want both meth and distilled alcohol to be illegal.
Quote:
FarFromHere said: I believe all drugs should be legal...
make up your mind.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Knoa6]
#7991755 - 02/07/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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OMG this isn't hard to understand!
My personal veiw is that you should be able to put any substance into your body you wish.
From the point of veiw of having laws changed I think we should just go for getting botanicals legalized.
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7993010 - 02/07/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
FarFromHere said: This is my exact stance on what the laws concerning plants should be!
All plants should be 100% legal to cultivate unless they are being processed into drugs.
All living and dried plants, cacti and fungi should be 100% legal!
So this would mean that people could grow any psychoactive botanical they wanted and as long as they kept the processing and ingestion out of veiw, inside their homes, they could produce enough material for personal use.
Those selling processed plants would be arrested.
This would keep dumbasses from ingesting powerful drugs, because you would have to grow it to be able to do it basically....
Things like pure DMT, heroin, Meth, cocaine would be illegal...
But things like Ayahuasca, Trichocereus and Peyote Cacti, Mushrooms, Salvia, etc.... These things would all remain legal.... In both their living and dried forms. (Mushrooms )
Sadly (for some of you) salvia extracts would be illegal...
But I really don't give a fuck. 
I'm good with smoking my sally leaf, munching on my Peyote, and sipping my pod tea....
The communities stance on drugs should be this- "All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
People might actually buy that!
The Government, nor the people of the World will ever allow ALL drugs to be legal...
Why?
Because meth is bad...
Because Heroin is bad....
You people in the ODD need to get the fuck over that and stop doing that shit!
Don't shoot heroin! Smoke Opium!!!
Don't smoke meth! Chew Khat!!!
So...
Legal plants, cacti and fungi!!!
Anyways...that's my ideas on drug laws.
Quote:
"All plants, cacti and fungi, living and dried, should be legal!"
~Teotzlcoatl~
I agree.
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Gr33nday43]
#7993934 - 02/07/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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...dude.
You just staight up agree?
You wouldn't change anything?
It is ok to think for yourself sometimes...
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scruffymafia
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Gr33nday43]
#7993952 - 02/07/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha is it still illegal to have distillers in america??? HA! Lol i thought that law was abolished shortly after the prohibition relapsed.
Are you allowed to brew your own beer in usa?
You can buy distillers everywhere here... Fucking awesome..
I think that drugs should be legally defined by their addictiveness and damage.
Opiates, cocaine and some ampetamines (meth mainly) at the top.
And the rest legalized!
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FarFromHere
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: scruffymafia]
#7994141 - 02/07/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds about right to me...
You can brew your own beer and wine here....
You can also own a distiller.
It's just illegal to make "moonshine".
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Gr33nday43




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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: FarFromHere]
#7994960 - 02/08/08 05:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
FarFromHere said:
...dude.
You just staight up agree?
You wouldn't change anything?
It is ok to think for yourself sometimes...
I truly don't disagree with anything.
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Magash
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Re: Available at your local mega-super-corporate-store [Re: Knoa6]
#7994979 - 02/08/08 06:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Lets take it to odd
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