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Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds
    #7983930 - 02/05/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What would be a practical way to start off a large amount of cacti seeds?

What is generally used for LW seed germinating? i was thinking just moist sandy soil with some bottom heat after soaking the seeds for 24 hours half normal water the other half with a small amount of Colchicine in order to produce some twisted lil babys.

My other question is it worth it to kill off a lot of endangored cacti just to have some cool looking crazy cacti? I think not,but this all depends on if the how many seeds the Colchicine would be expected to destroy. if it was like 5% that would be an exceptable loss,but im assuming it would be alot higher.

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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7984326 - 02/05/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dude...what are you trying to do?


Damn....


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7984472 - 02/05/08 08:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Dude...what are you trying to do?




Trying to create a brand new cacti with increased growth rates and alkaloid production :smile:

If one creates a polyploidy LW couldent it be patented? i know its been mentioned that if someone made a polyploidy salvia plant they could patent it.


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7984494 - 02/05/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Trying to create a brand new cacti with increased growth rates and alkaloid production




:rockdude: Fuck ya!!!

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If one creates a polyploidy LW couldent it be patented?




It would be illegal?


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7984520 - 02/05/08 08:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It would be illegal?




In the us yes,but peyote is legal elsewhere.


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7984777 - 02/05/08 09:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Actually i dont know if it would be legal or not,pedro and many other psychoactive cacti are legal but i not sure about the laws regarding this.


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7984944 - 02/05/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i'm trying to get my hands on some colchicine, it induces massive pupping if applied to areoles


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: casgoodie]
    #7985019 - 02/05/08 10:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Have you looked into making your own? a simple extract can be used.

Do you have any pics of this componds effects?


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7985465 - 02/06/08 01:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How do you make it?


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7985486 - 02/06/08 01:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i talked to a veterinarian friend tonight and he said you can get it at any pharmacy. i thought it was sort of controlled, i guess not. i would post pics but they are from another forum/website and i don't know if that would break the ethnogarden's rules. i got 2 warnings this month already


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7985499 - 02/06/08 02:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Simple ethanol extract from crocus bulbs,ive also heard good results with just crushed crocus bulbs in water.

But be carefull ive heard as little of 7mg of the pure compond can be deadly.

Even just getting a tiny bit on your skin can cause some SERIUS problems.


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7985510 - 02/06/08 02:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i don't know if that would break the ethnogarden's rules. i got 2 warnings this month already





Just ask Royer, he's a cool guy, he'll help ya out!




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But be carefull ive heard as little of 7mg of the pure compond can be deadly.

Even just getting a tiny bit on your skin can cause some SERIOUS problems.





well...fuck that.

I'd just stick to breeding if I want to make a better cactus.


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7985515 - 02/06/08 02:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes the pills can also be used,theres also a cream availible for plants.

Theres other methods for plants but im not sure if they have the same results on cacti.


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I'd just stick to breeding if I want to make a better cactus.




That would take quite a while with something like LW!


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7985523 - 02/06/08 02:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not if you grafted.


You could do it in 10 years.


I'm growing ass-loads of non-lophophora peyotes so I can have people bioassy cacti like Epithelantha micromeris.

This will take probably 20-30 years...

But I'm sure the study will not be complete until after I have passed away.


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7985539 - 02/06/08 02:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oooohhhhh di/polyploidy peyote grafted to a pedro!!

That would be interesting!


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7985561 - 02/06/08 02:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

where to get the botanical use cream?

edit: not asking for a specific place, but types of places like nurseries or pharmacies?


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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7985663 - 02/06/08 05:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually i dont know if it would be legal or not,pedro and many other psychoactive cacti are legal but i not sure about the laws regarding this.





well my understanding is that san peduro isn't specifically exempted (like p. somniferum seeds are) and so it is illegal by the letter of the law, in that it contains a scheduled drug, like mushrooms.

Course its tolerated, and the selective prosecution defense in america is pretty much worthless in most cases/states. You could argue its a new species, if you succeed, however; you wouldn't have a selective prosecution defense available, as it is likely easily shown you were interested in obtaining non-peyote mescaline production.

I'm sure people will disagree, and perhaps san pedro is specifically exempted, but thats my take.


Similar to how poppies are pretty well tolerated untill intent to consume is shown. But in my state at least, and I believe at the federal level, you could be prosecuted at whim for growing these and you'd not have much of a defense unless you could show you were prosecuted for political, racial, or other strictly defined prejudices.

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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: johnm214]
    #7987668 - 02/06/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what are some common places to obtain Colchicine or get it from something?

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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7987684 - 02/06/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well if you read the ENTIRE thread you would know...

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Simple ethanol extract from crocus bulbs,ive also heard good results with just crushed crocus bulbs in water.

But be carefull ive heard as little of 7mg of the pure compond can be deadly.

Even just getting a tiny bit on your skin can cause some SERIUS problems.




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Re: Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds [Re: Fnord]
    #7987708 - 02/06/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

lol crocus bulbs meaning the flower? or a light bulb? thats what i mean i dont understand....

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