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GriMsouL
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Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ]
#7983533 - 02/05/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Firstly , let me introduce myself..
Names GriM - got little to no experience in shroom' cultivation , havn't even started yet , waiting for my spore print..
which leads me to this:
I order a spore print of P. Cubensis Ecuadorian strain from www.sporeworks.com , havn't received it yet - still waiting.
The reason i order a print and not a syringe is because where im from you cant import syringes without a medical permit, so i thought it would be safer to order a spore print.
Should i go through the hassle of syringe-ifying my spore print ? Or should i just inoculate it with the "scrape" method. Im trying to cut contamination chances to a minimum, so would first putting the spores into a syringe and THEN innoculating it be a better idea than just scraping spores off the spore print into the jar ?
Ofc, i will keep sanatation in mind when handling spores.
Any help is much appreciated yo
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7983566 - 02/05/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey welcome to the shroomery. One of the best things about the information here is the search engine at the top of the page. You can see previous members asking the same questions you have and the conversations that followed.
Also, what you ask if cover in the teks/faqs that on here on the shroomery itself- getting you what you need, step by step.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7983572 - 02/05/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'll put it on agar first just to make sure its not contam. then cut a piece from the agar when it grows to innoc.
and in my opinion i think prints is way better then syringe. cause with a print you could make a bunch of syringes with it.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Groomies]
#7983609 - 02/05/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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IME, I have never had good luck with inoculating jars strait from prints. But as far as Print->Syringe->Grain jars go, I have a great success rate 
What you do is up to you I suppose, but I'm going to say make some syringes out of your print.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Funkatron9000]
#7983615 - 02/05/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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*bump*
Welcome to the Shroomery by the way!
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Groomies]
#7983645 - 02/05/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, the syringe is certainly a lot easier, although if you do it right, you can get a lot more mileage out of a spore print(about 7 or 8 syringes' worth). Just a question, though: if spores are illegal to import to your country, how would you make syringes out of your print?
From what I've heard, the "scraping technique" is pretty difficult to pull off. There should be syringe teks in the "grow mushrooms" part of the website, not to mention in the search engine.
In either case, a glovebox and good sterilization techniques are going to be necessary. Look up glovebox teks or buy one, and check out the sterile procedure thread.
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GriMsouL
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Yossarian22]
#7983979 - 02/05/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Yossarian22 said: Well, the syringe is certainly a lot easier, although if you do it right, you can get a lot more mileage out of a spore print(about 7 or 8 syringes' worth). Just a question, though: if spores are illegal to import to your country, how would you make syringes out of your print?
From what I've heard, the "scraping technique" is pretty difficult to pull off. There should be syringe teks in the "grow mushrooms" part of the website, not to mention in the search engine.
In either case, a glovebox and good sterilization techniques are going to be necessary. Look up glovebox teks or buy one, and check out the sterile procedure thread.
Spores arn't illeagel here, but importing SYRINGES , even if they are empty is flagged here and you need a medical permit to be able to order em'.
So yeah, thnx for all ur help - everyone.
i guess i'll just produce 10 syringes from the print - any storage tips for storing syringes for later use to avoid contam. ?
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7984069 - 02/05/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well...
Yes, the easiest method for beginners is print to syringe but I myself prefer to print every cap I get on foil and then use each print to inoculate 1 liter of rye, it works much faster this way.
But that is a method I use and do not recommend it to anyone new to this hobby. You can possibly purchase some small insulin syringes from a pharmacy, that should work for you for the time being.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7984092 - 02/05/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
GriMsouL said:
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Yossarian22 said: Well, the syringe is certainly a lot easier, although if you do it right, you can get a lot more mileage out of a spore print(about 7 or 8 syringes' worth). Just a question, though: if spores are illegal to import to your country, how would you make syringes out of your print?
From what I've heard, the "scraping technique" is pretty difficult to pull off. There should be syringe teks in the "grow mushrooms" part of the website, not to mention in the search engine.
In either case, a glovebox and good sterilization techniques are going to be necessary. Look up glovebox teks or buy one, and check out the sterile procedure thread.
Spores arn't illeagel here, but importing SYRINGES , even if they are empty is flagged here and you need a medical permit to be able to order em'.
So yeah, thnx for all ur help - everyone.
i guess i'll just produce 10 syringes from the print - any storage tips for storing syringes for later use to avoid contam. ?
Sorry, I meant to say "syringes" not "spores". So how are you planning on making syringes? Are syringes legal to buy but not import?
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GriMsouL
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Yossarian22]
#7985759 - 02/06/08 07:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yossarian22 said:
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GriMsouL said:
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Yossarian22 said: Well, the syringe is certainly a lot easier, although if you do it right, you can get a lot more mileage out of a spore print(about 7 or 8 syringes' worth). Just a question, though: if spores are illegal to import to your country, how would you make syringes out of your print?
From what I've heard, the "scraping technique" is pretty difficult to pull off. There should be syringe teks in the "grow mushrooms" part of the website, not to mention in the search engine.
In either case, a glovebox and good sterilization techniques are going to be necessary. Look up glovebox teks or buy one, and check out the sterile procedure thread.
Spores arn't illeagel here, but importing SYRINGES , even if they are empty is flagged here and you need a medical permit to be able to order em'.
So yeah, thnx for all ur help - everyone.
i guess i'll just produce 10 syringes from the print - any storage tips for storing syringes for later use to avoid contam. ?
Sorry, I meant to say "syringes" not "spores". So how are you planning on making syringes? Are syringes legal to buy but not import?
Oh shit , thats a good point.
Im not gonna bother getting syringes , just gonna use the "scrape" method in a glove box.
Also , i read one of the grow guides here and there was one that had a cake reciepie consisting only of brown rice, no verm. just 100% unpowdered brown rice with water.
It's an attractive method as it seems easy and not so money consuming.
Would i get away with using this guide, and scraping spores directly into the 100% brown rice ( and water ) cake in a glove box ?
Edited by GriMsouL (02/06/08 07:36 AM)
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GriMsouL
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7987123 - 02/06/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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*bump*
Sorry guys , i really need a quick answer
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7992553 - 02/07/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you should be able to get a turkey flavor injector from the grocery store that should work. just make sure to sterilize.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: HybridprX]
#7992819 - 02/07/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: Well...
Yes, the easiest method for beginners is print to syringe but I myself prefer to print every cap I get on foil and then use each print to inoculate 1 liter of rye, it works much faster this way.
But that is a method I use and do not recommend it to anyone new to this hobby. You can possibly purchase some small insulin syringes from a pharmacy, that should work for you for the time being.
One whole print for a quart of rye? That is overkill. Too many spores can do more harm than good. You could do 20 liters with a decent sized print. Also, insulin syringes are a pain, needles are very thin and as they are the ones IV drug users use they arouse a lot of suspicions.
To the OP.
Yes, you can use rice on it's own, treating it like any other grain like rye or corn for example.
The search engine here is great for digging up teks like that.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#7992869 - 02/07/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do not use all your spores!
This idea of yours MIGHT work, but it likely, won't. ESPECIALLY since it is your first time. Beginners have more trouble... on average.
Try it, BUT save some spores... don't use your whole print.
If it doesn't work... you'll want to try again!
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Rose]
#7992951 - 02/07/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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technically you only need two spores to colonize a jar right?
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: doitagain]
#7992977 - 02/07/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yep, but it would take bloody ages.
Compatible substrains will merge and form a single organism but increasing the amount of spores increases the risk of non compatible substrains forming which won't merge and will have to share the substrate
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GriMsouL
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: Nibin]
#7999215 - 02/09/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahuh .. Ahuh ..
I dunno where u guys thought i said i'd use a whole print on a jar.. im just gonna scrape a **FEW** spores onto a 100% brown rice and water mix
Spores should arive soon , ill let u guys know how it goes .. i probably wont cuz im a lazy fuck
thnx again guys
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: GriMsouL]
#8003630 - 02/10/08 03:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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spore prints are my favorite. making your own syringes add a nice touch to it and also, if you have a print on foil, sterilize like a crochet needle or anything rounded, and take some sterilized water drops with it, swirl it around the print and dump the water back with the rest of your water and its the best way to get all your spores.
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: galadar]
#8003734 - 02/10/08 06:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have same problem,galagar could u give more info about your tec,i couldnt understand it ... I need easy and safety tec to grow shrooms from my South African Transkei Print spore.
Edited by BigBabyJesus (02/10/08 06:48 AM)
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: BigBabyJesus]
#8005916 - 02/10/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i follow rr's print on foil technique in a glove box. theres no scraping involved as you wash the spores off foil back into your cup of water. and then make like 20 syringes from that.
everything is the same cept he uses a flowhood i use a glovebox, and he uses an inoculation loop, and i use a crochet needle.
its in his video, and is very easy to follow.
Edited by galadar (02/10/08 06:44 PM)
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Re: Spore print vs. Spore Syringe [ Question ] [Re: galadar]
#8007711 - 02/11/08 05:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Aight man I'll check that video.Tnx fo help 
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Edited by BigBabyJesus (02/11/08 06:04 AM)
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