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Anonymous #1
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I Could Use Some Advice
#7981431 - 02/05/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How can I make myself be okay with the pointlessness and insignificance of life in the long run? I can hear you say "you have to make your own purpose, and just be happy with the present, you just have to LIVE", and understand and agree with the message. But I can't live it. I can't make myself feel differently.
How can I make myself just stop thinking and analyzing everything, and just accept how shit is? Why can't I stop complaining?
How can I stop being such a self centered/self righteous douche with low self esteem? I can say the words "I am not special, I am no better than anyone else" in my head, and understand and agree with those words. But they won't impact me.
Fuck, I see a lot of people being happy and I envy them. I really do. No matter how hard I try, I can't try my hardest.
Is life as sad and depressing as I've been thinking it is?
Please answer the questions. I hate to beg like this but I am getting desperate. I've been considering going on medication for depression lately, but I feel like I should be able to change things without fucking with my brain.
Thanks
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kbilly
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7981460 - 02/05/08 04:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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what follows is PURE speculation but it cant hurt to try Are you unhappy as in sad eg you think of suicide? this is probably a serotonin inbalance, try taking 5-htp for a month from health food stores see how you feel. if this applies to you u had better avoid taking drugs like X as they rip your serotonin levels to shit.
are you demotivated even happy but cant see the point horny but cant be bothered to talk to chicks? this is probably dopamine related then you can try something like fava beans.
feeling ungrounded unsocial over eating-smoking-drinking try sceletium get the best type you can. awesome if your self concious
alternatively try taking something like mescaline somewhere with a great view. it helps with eprspective the rest you have to figure out youself. your right though life has no meaning, you are absolutely free to do whatever you want the only person you will ever dissapoint is yourself comparing yourself with others is pointless, now thats a big responsibilty but also a gift beyond our conception.
do yourself a favour avoid psychiatric drugs as its absolutely the last resort, and taking one often has side effects cured with another which has side effect etc before you know it your a zombie on 5 drugs and you will wish for the day you felt like you feel now.
Edited by kbilly (02/05/08 04:37 AM)
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: kbilly]
#7981908 - 02/05/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The only reason they dont have an impact on you is decided by 2 things.
1. There is more to changing the subconcious mind than meets the eye. Just keep searching, because if your intentions are to change the mind and it doesnt happen, it shows that there is something external to you, the tools that you have, that are not sufficient. Currently i have been trying alot harder because i really saw a futility int trying, being unhappy like you. Just recently i made a sort of break through with the subconcious mind for example. It being that my mind was beggining to see that in truth, my inentions to change work and that when i have these feelings it simply is a challenge to go through with them and repeat what i have learnt and how to apply it.
Though ill tell you that im lacking something, which im still working through towards. The light at the end of the tunnel is far, but dont let the horizon fool you, its not as far as it seems and along the road there are thing which make the journey alot quicker too.
This type of growth is exponential and its the take off, those first steps that really are hard, especially when u find you have taken off and find yourself the next day, forgetting how to take off and fly again. Needing to relearn and re-apply.
the second thing that may make it really hard are the people you chill with and their intentions for themselves. Ie/ being with a person, i mean even just chilling with them, who applies conciously the common mentalities of the world can make it really hard, if not impossible to find any noticable change that you search for, a sliver of hope.
You know there is three parts to changing - 1. the thing you would like to change, the truth you would like to live. 2. the realization and willingness to do it. 3. the method of how to do it.
Right now we lack the third and because we see that we do we can become hopeless. But let me tell you from personal experience, that eventually with enough effort things pick up and boy do they ever pick up quicker and quicker, in comparison to the sloth like reality the beggining is.
Peace bro Much love and peace, joy to all you girls and boys!
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: kbilly]
#7990425 - 02/07/08 02:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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are you demotivated even happy but cant see the point horny but cant be bothered to talk to chicks? this is probably dopamine related then you can try something like fava beans.
feeling ungrounded unsocial over eating-smoking-drinking try sceletium get the best type you can. awesome if your self concious
Those two sound about right. Especially the first one.
I really appreciate your reply, kbilly. The mescaline is something I've been wanting to do for a long time. I'll stick with your advice on not doing psychiatric drugs. I would much rather overcome it on my own.
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7990436 - 02/07/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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JoseLibrado said: 1. There is more to changing the subconcious mind than meets the eye. Just keep searching, because if your intentions are to change the mind and it doesnt happen, it shows that there is something external to you, the tools that you have, that are not sufficient. Currently i have been trying alot harder because i really saw a futility int trying, being unhappy like you. Just recently i made a sort of break through with the subconcious mind for example. It being that my mind was beggining to see that in truth, my inentions to change work and that when i have these feelings it simply is a challenge to go through with them and repeat what i have learnt and how to apply it.
This is good advice. A lot of the time I feel really unmotivated to even make a change though. Like you were saying, it just can feel futile. I don't even know where to start.
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Though ill tell you that im lacking something, which im still working through towards. The light at the end of the tunnel is far, but dont let the horizon fool you, its not as far as it seems and along the road there are thing which make the journey alot quicker too.
I hope you find that something you are lacking very soon 
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the second thing that may make it really hard are the people you chill with and their intentions for themselves. Ie/ being with a person, i mean even just chilling with them, who applies conciously the common mentalities of the world can make it really hard, if not impossible to find any noticable change that you search for, a sliver of hope.
I agree. I've been wanting to find new friends. The ones I have now are in the same position I am in, and they aren't helping me along at all. I've been wanting to try to find some new friends, but the ones I have now are a big comfort zone for me.
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You know there is three parts to changing - 1. the thing you would like to change, the truth you would like to live. 2. the realization and willingness to do it. 3. the method of how to do it.
Right now we lack the third and because we see that we do we can become hopeless. But let me tell you from personal experience, that eventually with enough effort things pick up and boy do they ever pick up quicker and quicker, in comparison to the sloth like reality the beggining is.
Very well put!
Thanks a ton for the input
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7990510 - 02/07/08 04:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If it is dopamine related look into something called selegiline but its potent I take about a quarter of a 5 mg tab every 3 days works like a charm. Not suggesting this is an answer or even advice but it helps. Be very carefull if you take this you cannot take any speed family drugs x, speed and mescaline until you have been clean for 3 days even at low dosages.
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7990810 - 02/07/08 08:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is life as sad and depressing as I've been thinking it is?
No...but life isn't happy either. Life just is. Happy or sad, it's you who are doing it...you who are doing the feeling.
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: trendal]
#7991917 - 02/07/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"it's you who are doing it...you who are doing the feeling"
I sincerly disagree.
Assuming that it was me which created the feelings, all my feelings would be changed at the moment i choose to change them.
This is not the case, because i choose to change my feelings on a active basis and fail at times.
What this MUST mean is that there is something external to the knowledge and abilities i am in the presence of, which would is not allowing my intentions to be actualized, fullfilled.
I lack the mechanism that i fuel my intentions with, which allows me to completely acheive a change in my prespective and then from that a change in feelings.
Much love, peace people and i loves you all. Atleast im trying to love you all!!
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7992184 - 02/07/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost." -- Flaubert
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7992235 - 02/07/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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And I sincerely disagree with this post. Yes, it is true that all the events that are taking place around ourselves have the power to influence our mood, but it is ourselves who get the final decision regarding how we choose to feel about it.
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: MushroomTrip]
#8002263 - 02/09/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushroom trip. "but it is ourselves who get the final decision regarding how we choose to feel about it." Is inconsistent with how we feel every day. At times you can choose to feel a certain way, but recall that it is only a change in how we understand what we are exepriencing, that brings about a change in feeling.
A way to see this - When you are scared, you cannot just choose to shake off the feeling. It can come, depending on your ability to change how your mind interprets what it is seeing and fearing.
Ie/ If you are going to hear someone scream at you, instantly you may fear it, but then you REAL-IZE that they are just spouting an opinion, in no way anything you must bring it into your heart and your beliefs. And poof, atleast most of the fear will leave, that is unless you begin to fear the PROPECT that you may get into a mentality that would allow you to feel scared.
Ok peace gonna go do what i have to do.
Edited by JoseLibrado (02/09/08 08:09 PM)
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: JoseLibrado]
#8003553 - 02/10/08 02:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to agree with Jose. No matter how I would like to feel about a particular circumstance or situation, I can't really choose how I feel about it.
I can have some influence on the emotion, and have some influence on how I react to said emotion....
But the end result is not typically what I would have wanted.
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Re: I Could Use Some Advice [Re: Cakes]
#8003932 - 02/10/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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life is what you make out of it... and as to discussion about you being able to choose the way you wanna feel... well there is some misunderstanding here... if you fear something and the thought comes saying i dont wanna fear... well im sorry to tell you but it's just a wish... same like wishing to win something and never playing... i do some combat sports and and got into combat psychology quite a bit... and i know there are ways to conquer fear reactivity when your heart starts to pound and you get to the point of flight or fight. this is then you must control manifestations of fear which is overriding our natural instinct of survival. so the statement saying i chose not to fear but i do, does not appeal to me... because in fact its i chose not to fear but i dont know how to conquer it which is completely different thing. and the mind is a tricky thing as soon as it realizes you've got not enough skills to deal with a given situation it will be overrun by subconcious mind. that's what Jose kinda said if you dont believe in your skills to change something you will be kicked back to known territory - which is the life you have and the things you experienced that are familiar to you. I've been there bro. several years of chronic depression. no matter what others said to me i always got this thought that they dont have a clue how i feel... basically i was drowining under the heaviness of my own thoughts. i got to the point where almost everything around me was triggering negative vibes. it got to the point i packed up and left... then i realized the miserable life i've had was only in my head and manifested in my body... and that realization was the most crucial one in my life. what i could advise you is... if you have trouble with conquering your thoughts or them having no impact on your life... try hypnotherapist instead of dep-drugs. if you really want to change they will help you out going straight to your sub-consciousness or higher mind if you preffer. they've got techniques.
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