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tealeaf
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casing dunk experiment
#7980462 - 02/04/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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My casings were looking pretty dried out after i picked my second flush. i started looking here for information and decided not many people were clear on dunking casings. so i dunked 4 casings for 6 hours in the fridge, some full of 1/4 inch high pins, others barren shroom picked earth. i will keep track of this post and let you guys know the results so there can be a ruling on misting/dunking especically since one casing has had 1/4 inch pins for 2 weeks (never growing mazatapec again, way too stubborn)
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: tealeaf]
#7980477 - 02/04/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Search my posts. I've described methods to dunk large substrates for a long time. In the sink under gently running water works best. RR
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tealeaf
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7980555 - 02/04/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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cool right on those all look very interesting. i will still post again just to give people feedback about another option to replenish water in a casing if all goes well.
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MiSTRFiNGA
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: tealeaf]
#7980963 - 02/04/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always pluck each pin as well, so the casing is clean. I think the reason was the casing will try to help them grow and they wont so it wastes its energy output. I usually just rinse under sink, place back into container I was fruiting them in and place ice cubes all over/around it till it is covered. When the ice cubes melted it was ice cold water, and then I drained that and re-cased it. Always worked for me wether or not it is right. Figured I share my experience with it. I didn't have room in fridge, or want someone to see them in there if possible as well
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: MiSTRFiNGA]
#7980979 - 02/04/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Never pick pins that are not obvious aborts. Pins for the first two flushes are often set at first flush, and then they remain dormant until their time comes. RR
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tealeaf
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7982696 - 02/05/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i totally agree with you RR. the ones which were picked clean only had my big guys on um and hardly any smaller pins left. sorry for the confusion. we'll see if the mazatapecs try to put up a fight and if they decide to, it will be very beautiful.
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tealeaf
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: tealeaf]
#7986411 - 02/06/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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after 3 days i havent noticed any signs of growth. could be because of the cold shock from the fridge. noticed this has been slower than misting.
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tealeaf
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: tealeaf]
#7991358 - 02/07/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RR, i hope you can give me advice on this. the case dunk experiment went terrible. the mazatapecs already show signs of contam/blue myc which means they are contaminated or spent (weird since i ony got one flush from 1 of 2 casings). the treasure coast each have a pin sticking out. i will be misting in the future since this experiment gave me valuable information.
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: tealeaf]
#7991461 - 02/07/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dunk after every flush. my cakes would always turn blue in some spots after this, but would return to normal and flush just fine. I always picked every pin/abort off the cake before dunking too.
tap water with a tiny bit of disinfectant, not completely sterile and kind of sloppy method, but it worked for me.
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: beatyou]
#7991537 - 02/07/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The casing layer will never re-colonize after first flush. Simply dunk to rehydrate the substrate and return to fruiting conditions.
I used to recommend dunking in the refrigerator, because in part, that was the conventional wisdom. I no longer believe that's the best course of action, so dunk at normal room temperature, beginning the dunk with cold tap water, but no ice.
Larger trays can be easily soaked by placing under the kitchen or bathtub faucet, allowing the tray to fill up and gently run over the edge for a few hours. Put something on top of the substrate if it tries to float. The running water will help to wash away contaminant spores that may have landed, while preventing excess bacterial blooms that may occur under still water. RR
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7991714 - 02/07/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The casing layer will never re-colonize after first flush
So, that means , Say i have One monotub and it flushes once then after i pick the flush i dunked & crumbled into 2 separate casings with coir added, it wouldent colonize the coir???
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: budzeno]
#7991767 - 02/07/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No. It means the peat or topsoil based casing layer will not re-colonize, even if patched. (which it should be, by filling in the divots caused from picking)
Coir is a substrate, not a casing. You should never pick a flush, and then crumble the leftovers into a new substrate. RR
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tealeaf
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7991895 - 02/07/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"dunk after every flush. my cakes would always turn blue in some spots after this, but would return to normal and flush just fine. I always picked every pin/abort off the cake before dunking too"
sorry if you misunderstood but i was talking about casings
in the future i will dunk cakes before i crumble and mist rather than dunk my casings. i have plenty of time on my hands so doing experiments with my casings only helps me learn to make them better in the future. am i am still bashing hawkseye for their mazatapec syringes weak weak weak
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: tealeaf]
#7991901 - 02/07/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
tealeaf said:...still bashing hawkseye for their mazatapec syringes weak weak weak
ralphsters ftw yo. but all those places have shady potential...
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tealeaf
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Re: casing dunk experiment [Re: beatyou]
#8004966 - 02/10/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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it looks like my casings will soon be exhausted but my treasure coast responded very well to the dunking and is spitting out a few last big guys (thicker and taller after dunking than those collected from misting). mazatapecs are going in the trash even though they are covered in pins (casing pinned 4 weeks ago and they havent gotten bigger or turned to aborts, weird).
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