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arpnuke
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Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect
#7980352 - 02/04/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I tripped a couple days ago and rather than enjoy the uplifting afterglow I've been depressed and left feeling empty. On that trip I got to experience creative flowing thoughts, total absorption in whatever task I performed, etc. I realized that if everyone followed their true nature without being bound by the ego, it would be heaven on Earth. I read Prometheus Rising and tried to think of things from the "I'm okay and so are you" mindset. It's tough to maintain that good attitude when the Earth has few liberated minds.
How do you guys keep the world from dragging you down? Before this past trip I smoked weed to bring myself a little closer to the tripping mindset. By the time of this last trip, I smoked about 4 joints a day. While tripping I realized it was just abuse and I liked the feeling. Now I'm sitting here sober when I would otherwise be high and I still feel empty. Let's talk about emotion and feeling a bit more.
Emotions feel great, awful, and everywhere in between. Since my trip I don't feel like exposing my emotions to other people. During the trip it seemed like people look to other people for cues on how they should feel. I don't want to open myself to people that will use that to hurt me. At this point, I feel void because I don't really have much in the way of feeling right now. I'm not hurt, but I'm not happy.
The truth is that hurt is something that has to be dealt with in this life. Anyone else find it hard to put themselves out there to other people? I'm not stressed or anxious (used to be until I turned on), but I feel like I half ass conversations. I don't really want to get to know anymore people because of what I've seen in the people that I do know, myself included.
I feel like my instinct is wrong, but at the moment I feel like living alone in a remote location just smoking weed and enjoying nature. How have other trippers gotten excited about life again?
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fushock

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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: arpnuke]
#7980386 - 02/04/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The world drags me down sometimes. Thats life. You deal with it the best you can.
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DarkMoon21
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: fushock]
#7980595 - 02/04/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How do I keep the world from getting me down? When the world starts getting me down I focus on my hobbies, I play or listen to music, something upbeat, to remind me of the good things in life. Sit, relax, and listen. I suggest going out and taking a walk in nature by yourself. Perhaps bring paper and a pen and write down your thoughts as you walk. Personally I find a nice quiet, secluded spot beside the river and meditate on what's troubling me. It helps alot.
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: DarkMoon21]
#7980904 - 02/04/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the world is perfect.
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: thedudenj]
#7980936 - 02/04/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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what is perfect?
-------------------- When you make your peace with authority, you become authority. - Jim Morrison The most loving parents and relatives commit murder with smiles on their faces. They force us to destroy the person we really are: a subtle kind of murder. - Jim Morrison
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Churning
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: thedudenj]
#7980941 - 02/04/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the world is as perfect as it is ever going to be
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The_Ghost
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: thedudenj]
#7981011 - 02/05/08 12:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: the world is perfect.
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AnonymousRabbit
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Enothe
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#7981287 - 02/05/08 01:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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your letting other people drag you down, your getting stuck in thier world. you should focus on your world.
this 'world' is purely your perception of reality. change your perception and you can change your world.
give it a while, try and figure out whats missing. then trip again when your ready. ive had trips like these, after a break the next one is usually a polar opposite. as long as you learn from it instead of let it bring you down.
good luck
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: Enothe]
#7981595 - 02/05/08 07:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You've noticed that people tend to base emotions and actions on other people, interaction. However some people dont have "it", you have to let them be otherwise it will always annoy you.
Its sound like you need to find the right bunch of people, maybe you should go on a road trip or something and meet some decent people.
I remember when i had my first strong trip on mushrooms and realised what a load of shit some peoples way of living is, and then i realised that we are all here now, and some of us figure it out, and some of us just get on with it without having these 'personal' revelations.
If you feel you have to get 'excited' about life again, then your on the wrong path, in my opinion. Are you doing the right thing? Do you enjoy your work/college/school? Figure out what your passionate about and go for it.
Check out a book/movie called "The Secret"
And another thing, your feelings of the people around you, are just the people around you.
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manyc
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: arpnuke]
#7981808 - 02/05/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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arpnuke said: I tripped a couple days ago and rather than enjoy the uplifting afterglow I've been depressed and left feeling empty. On that trip I got to experience creative flowing thoughts, total absorption in whatever task I performed, etc. I realized that if everyone followed their true nature without being bound by the ego, it would be heaven on Earth. I read Prometheus Rising and tried to think of things from the "I'm okay and so are you" mindset. It's tough to maintain that good attitude when the Earth has few liberated minds.
How do you guys keep the world from dragging you down? Before this past trip I smoked weed to bring myself a little closer to the tripping mindset. By the time of this last trip, I smoked about 4 joints a day. While tripping I realized it was just abuse and I liked the feeling. Now I'm sitting here sober when I would otherwise be high and I still feel empty. Let's talk about emotion and feeling a bit more.
Emotions feel great, awful, and everywhere in between. Since my trip I don't feel like exposing my emotions to other people. During the trip it seemed like people look to other people for cues on how they should feel. I don't want to open myself to people that will use that to hurt me. At this point, I feel void because I don't really have much in the way of feeling right now. I'm not hurt, but I'm not happy.
The truth is that hurt is something that has to be dealt with in this life. Anyone else find it hard to put themselves out there to other people? I'm not stressed or anxious (used to be until I turned on), but I feel like I half ass conversations. I don't really want to get to know anymore people because of what I've seen in the people that I do know, myself included.
I feel like my instinct is wrong, but at the moment I feel like living alone in a remote location just smoking weed and enjoying nature. How have other trippers gotten excited about life again?
I know where you're coming from. What I've come to learn is that there are people who will hurt you if you let yourself stay open. The trick is to know when to open up. I don't open up to people until we've been hanging out on a regular basis - it's part shyness, part distrust.
I think you need to get away, indeed. That idea about moving to a remote location and just smokin weed - that's a dream I have as well. The only problem is that you're totally abandoning that which made you who you are in the first place. Some have told me that idea is selfish - but one can take what they have and do with it whatever they want.
I guess this would be a good place for that old idea - if we didn't have sorrow, how could we know joy? If things were always one way or another, it would get boring, and it would be the norm - it would be total neutral indifference. How boring is that? Sounds like purgatory.
I've gotten excited about life again by having a kid- it wasn't intentional, and it is definitely one of the most stressful things almost everyone will go through. But... I feel like I've got something to live for now. Even if he is going to be an ungrateful little shithead when those teenage years roll around. And even if, for now, he just seems to be a shit and piss factory. His personality will develop.. those moments are fucking gratifying for a parent. He unconsciously giggled in his sleep the other day and we freaked out over the cuteness. Babies don't really know how to express true emotion until a few months have passed, though. I digress.
So.. I guess my advice is... have a kid?
Hahaha
But seriously... teh world is absolutely perfect. It's us that contain the imperfection - but even then, it is a perfect imperfection. Everything that is, is meant to be. If it wasn't, it .. wouldn't be at all.
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How do I keep the world from getting me down? When the world starts getting me down I focus on my hobbies, I play or listen to music, something upbeat, to remind me of the good things in life. Sit, relax, and listen. I suggest going out and taking a walk in nature by yourself. Perhaps bring paper and a pen and write down your thoughts as you walk. Personally I find a nice quiet, secluded spot beside the river and meditate on what's troubling me. It helps alot.
Wow... that man is fucking amazing. Really harvesting the potential of the guitar, he is.
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: manyc]
#7981860 - 02/05/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Change your definition of perfect to coordinate with your lifestyle. Problem solved.
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arpnuke
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: manyc]
#7981886 - 02/05/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Scientists say a baby's brain is a fascinating bundle of neurons just waiting to be hard-wired into the intricate circuitry we call the mind. The wiring of the brain begins at birth and continues until age 10 or 12 when it is wired for life, according to these findings."
I wonder if the reason children learn so quickly is that they haven't constructed their reality tunnel completely yet. Who knows, but the way their brains work is interesting. I feel like it's an obligation for good people to have kids and raise them in an environment of love, tolerance, and positive regard. In myself I can notice major aspects of my personality that have been taken from my parents. There's some stuff there that I'm still dealing with. One of the greatest contributions I can make would be bringing more people into the world with a healthy outlook on life. Over generations, the world will become a better place.
Oddly enough, class work seems purposeful and I want to learn the material now. I feel like I'm moving toward an end goal and some day I'll have the skills to take my ideas and move them into a digital reality.
I feel like this is caused by daily cannabis use over months, but I have found it very difficult to break out of thought loops concerning other people. Since I skipped a few days from smoking, it's been easier to not care what other people think and simply focus on the task at hand. Interesting how if I had just listened to my body instead of trying to regulate my mood I would be much better off.
Waiting to open yourself up to people seems like a good plan. It's tough to learn who is good and who would take your shit if given the opportunity. A good way of handling that seems like opening yourself up depending on how much the other person has opened up with you. A little sleep works wonders. Yesterday I was caught in the gloom of the first post and today I'm inspired again to not give up [on the world] without a fight. Have a good day
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manyc
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: arpnuke]
#7981932 - 02/05/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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A good way of handling that seems like opening yourself up depending on how much the other person has opened up with you.
Yup.
I'm glad to hear the dark cloud hovering over your outlook has lifted, here's hoping you can keep it away. Sleep really can do amazing things... giving your brain time to go over its mass of thoughts - sorting out the useless, mundane everyday thoughts and the insightful, profound, and important ones that we have everyday.
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: arpnuke]
#14547977 - 06/01/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, darling. it all comes from within. the world is the way it is for a very good reason.
go vegetarian! itll lead u the right way. hare krishna <3
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Nunbuh_Chrubble
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Re: Coping with living in an imperfect world and being imperfect [Re: gopi]
#14548745 - 06/02/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly it sounds to me like you were/are dealing with a drug induced depression partly caused by seratonin depletion from tripping, partly caused by cannabis withdrawl.
Sounds like you've got some stuff to work out and are doing just that.
My advise: keep getting lots of sleep and eat healthy food. Spend some time sober (at least a month or two). Spend some quality time by yourself and/or with close friends and family who you really trust. Be open with those people about the way you're feeling and try to talk it out.
Integration after a psychedelic experience is super important and that is what you are doing right now; trying to integrate your experience.
Peace and Love
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