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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #7994308 - 02/07/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Where did he mention language?  :confused:  I'm pretty certain that he was talking about the difficulty of translating actions into a precise model of someone's inner state.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Veritas]
    #7994561 - 02/08/08 12:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Does that mean that when I pose an argument to someone and they blatantly tell me "You're stupid. Thats stupid. There is no way that I will ever believe that." is just as "aware" as I am?

Yes. That is a word-for-word EXACT quote.

Ok, even if you say that this only gives me an idea about how aware they are, is this not at least 99.999% positive that they are closed to new ideas?

The question that I posed had to do with altering human DNA in order to prevent genetic diseases.

When I asked why he felt that way, all he could do was tell me that if people start messing with their DNA "We would all become zombies or something". Ok, also a semi-valid argument, but the best source he could muster to back up his belief was that he saw it in more than one movie.

Am I still to expect that my assumptions are wrong?


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: HighHat]
    #7994716 - 02/08/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the 'masters' may disagree.

the moment you think youve figured it out, just forget about it. because that is what we have to do.

there is no higher or lower person. just connection to inner source which happens when you get out of your own way. grace flows.

everyone is. no steps, just a snap of the fingers.

be here now?

knowledge is not it. you will let go of it.

identification keeps the ego locked in the trap.

blessed are the simple ones, says jesus.

or this is what i read anyway. :stoned:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #7994827 - 02/08/08 03:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Poid said:
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EternalCowabunga said:
projection = mental projections - putting a map on something to try and understand it

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How can you tell if someone is on a higher level?




maybe i shouldn't have said higher level, maybe "greater awareness" would be more appropriate, but to answer your question..

the way they move, how present they are (these two are closely connected), lack of pretension, won't humor your ego (if you have an inflated ego, get ready for it to be deflated because they are not sympathetic to your insecurities because they understand who you are behind the mask - this is different than having your feelings hurt, which is an egotistical thing - it's a challenge to the very identity you've created for yourself, who you think you are)

often times have a very high degree of empathy and even some telepathy




Is there a such thing as a perfect ego, an ego that is 100% secure, do you think?




that's a good question. i don't know if i can answer that. i think that perfection exists only in a timeless unconscious state, while the ego is constantly growing (not inflating... inflation is bad whether it's negative or positive inflation, i'm talking about positive growth). i see ego growth as a continual process of becoming more uniquely individual, and i see this continuing into the future until everyone becomes their own avatar, or something like that.

i can't say anything for sure though, i wouldn't mind hearing other thoughts.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8003355 - 02/10/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
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Poid said:
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EternalCowabunga said:
projection = mental projections - putting a map on something to try and understand it

Quote:

How can you tell if someone is on a higher level?




maybe i shouldn't have said higher level, maybe "greater awareness" would be more appropriate, but to answer your question..

the way they move, how present they are (these two are closely connected), lack of pretension, won't humor your ego (if you have an inflated ego, get ready for it to be deflated because they are not sympathetic to your insecurities because they understand who you are behind the mask - this is different than having your feelings hurt, which is an egotistical thing - it's a challenge to the very identity you've created for yourself, who you think you are)

often times have a very high degree of empathy and even some telepathy




Is there a such thing as a perfect ego, an ego that is 100% secure, do you think?




that's a good question. i don't know if i can answer that. i think that perfection exists only in a timeless unconscious state, while the ego is constantly growing (not inflating... inflation is bad whether it's negative or positive inflation, i'm talking about positive growth). i see ego growth as a continual process of becoming more uniquely individual, and i see this continuing into the future until everyone becomes their own avatar, or something like that.

i can't say anything for sure though, i wouldn't mind hearing other thoughts.




How long do you think it would/should take to grow before it becomes essentially perfect?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
    #8003398 - 02/10/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no idea :mypleasure:


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8003849 - 02/10/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Question

Why are you always talking about going back to the origin instead of waking up to what lies ahead?

Answer

What is waking up? Up to what? Westerners always have these notions of illumination. Yes: Satori means "awakening." People like the idea of waking up; but to what? It's easier to go back. The newborn baby is pure. It has true freedom, it's not at all complicated, doesn't need to make love, gets its food from its mother, cries when it feels like it . . . It doesn't think. We have to understand what freedom is. If you think with your fore-brain all the time, you become complicated; that is how European philosophy got so complicated. We must go back to the origin of the human being. It's difficult. A koan.

- Zen Master Deshimaru


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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: prankster]
    #8003856 - 02/10/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: prankster]
    #8004184 - 02/10/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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prankster said:
Question

Why are you always talking about going back to the origin instead of waking up to what lies ahead?

Answer

What is waking up? Up to what? Westerners always have these notions of illumination. Yes: Satori means "awakening." People like the idea of waking up; but to what? It's easier to go back. The newborn baby is pure. It has true freedom, it's not at all complicated, doesn't need to make love, gets its food from its mother, cries when it feels like it . . . It doesn't think. We have to understand what freedom is. If you think with your fore-brain all the time, you become complicated; that is how European philosophy got so complicated. We must go back to the origin of the human being. It's difficult. A koan.

- Zen Master Deshimaru




Going back to the origin, waking up to what lies ahead; those are just linguistic terms that basically define the same idea. Are you merely arguing linguistic semantics, or do you actually have a point?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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