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What is spirituality?
#7979996 - 02/04/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has anybody every felt like they possess dormant divine power that's only waiting escape from it's shell to be used at your own discretion? Does anybody else believe in destiny, and that everything is somehow meant to be?
My life has always felt like it was leading up to something; some point, some event, or something, I can't describe it, it's a feeling. Sometimes, I'll be somewhere (like school for instance), with an almost completely clear mind, and I notice that people seem distracted by something, like their mind is absorbing more useless information than their soul can handle. At times like these, I feel, infinite, in a way. I feel like telling everybody, in a humble manner, "What are we doing? Look at yourselves. We're dressing up in funny costumes that separate us into competing groups, we've each created funny characters, our egos, which also cause us to compete against each other. And for what? For sex? For money?". When I get this feeling, life feels like a dream, a dream that I control, and my body feels almost nonexistent, light and graceful, and as I observe myself moving, it feels like I am some kind of greater force manipulating my body. It feels like I can do absolutely anything, but I don't for fear of being arrested or institutionalized. As a result, those fears cloud up my clear mind and then I return back to "normal"; a human being with faced with a consciousness of infinite pre-conceived phrases talking, ruminating, and wondering about things that really don't matter, and just get in the way of me achieving the previously mentioned state of consciousness permanently.
Obviously, this sounds like I am a very strange person, but I really don't think so. I do have at least a subtle influence on people, so I guess I'm not a complete loser or anything. Sometimes it feels like I have to much influence on people, and that I am responsible for all the good and badness in the lives of people around me because I either harmed them directly in some way, or indirectly by not helping them open their minds and thus improving their lives.
I've recently started to rate people by classes, based on many criterion, but basically based on where they stand on society, and why; based on their efficiency. The people of the lower classes are easy to deal with, and are basically pawns that don't mean much in terms of competition. The higher classes are more difficult to deal with, and require more skill and composure to interact with. The lower classes are the masses and the higher classes are the noteworthy individuals. Also, it appears that the lower classes are more "brainwashed" by society, more closely attached to and less willing to escape from their conditioning, whereas the higher class appears to be more independent, more original.
When I'm around the lower classes, it feels like they all notice my "vibe" and that they are in awe of it. Remember, this is only a feeling, but I have heard someone go "Whoah! Who is that?" in a very wondrously amazed tone. I know I don't behave in the way the lower classes do because they way they behave is based on a societal mold that I have, to the best of my ability, broken out of. As a result, it is only obvious that people are going to stare at me, and in a way, it kind of feels like that is some kind of mechanism to try to prevent people like me from achieving higher levels of humanness.
I'd like to write more but unfortunately, this thread is turning into a rant and I am forgetting the reason I wrote this at all. Basically, I'd like to ask, has anyone ever met anyone who experiences any of these kinds of things, or have your yourself experienced these things? Is there really an inherent Social Caste, and if there is, where do you see yourself in it?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7980127 - 02/04/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Orbus]
#7980158 - 02/04/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks, man.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7981873 - 02/05/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has anybody every felt like they possess dormant divine power that's only waiting escape from it's shell to be used at your own discretion?
NO! I'm fully actualized.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Icelander]
#7981915 - 02/05/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't believe in destiny nor some dormant divine power, but I do believe I am destined for greatness.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7981917 - 02/05/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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for me spirituality is realizing our conditioning, the process that has been integrated into our minds through years and years of external babble. we heard the external babble so much that an internal babbling took form. we keep this internal babble running by identifying with babble in the outside world. without this external babble it may feel as though we are going insane. take an average joe who watches tv 4 hours a day and put him into a forest alone for 3 months and see what i mean.
spirituality for me is being aware of this internal process that is the conditioned mind. i am spiritual in that i make it a practise to be aware of this. it is cultivation of awareness, taking control of our lives and not being a slave to the machine like so many people are.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: deranger]
#7981937 - 02/05/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said: for me spirituality is realizing our conditioning, the process that has been integrated into our minds through years and years of external babble. we heard the external babble so much that an internal babbling took form. we keep this internal babble running by identifying with babble in the outside world. without this external babble it may feel as though we are going insane. spirituality for me is being aware of this internal process that is the conditioned mind. i am spiritual in that i make it a practice to be aware of this. it is cultivation of awareness, taking control of our lives and not being a slave to the machine like so many people are.
If this is what you meant by spirituality, then yes, I am spiritual.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Boots]
#7981953 - 02/05/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Deepak Chopra - "spirituality is awareness of awareness”.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: deranger]
#7984889 - 02/05/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's exactly the answer I was looking for man! If I could give you a rating, I'd give you 5 shrooms for that!
So in your opinion, then, would being TOO spiritual mean you are insane?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Boots]
#7984896 - 02/05/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Boots said:
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SyntheticMInd said: for me spirituality is realizing our conditioning, the process that has been integrated into our minds through years and years of external babble. we heard the external babble so much that an internal babbling took form. we keep this internal babble running by identifying with babble in the outside world. without this external babble it may feel as though we are going insane. spirituality for me is being aware of this internal process that is the conditioned mind. i am spiritual in that i make it a practice to be aware of this. it is cultivation of awareness, taking control of our lives and not being a slave to the machine like so many people are.
If this is what you meant by spirituality, then yes, I am spiritual.
Do others consider you to be spiritual?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7985700 - 02/06/08 06:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: That's exactly the answer I was looking for man! If I could give you a rating, I'd give you 5 shrooms for that!
So in your opinion, then, would being TOO spiritual mean you are insane?
insanity is just a word i used to describe the feeling of realizing the self, when the wheel of the mind comes to a stop. it can be shattering and confusing at first, but just like on the comeup of a mushroom trip there can be a breakthrough point and everything becomes purrfect. but i guess ultimately it is up to you whether or not you take control of yourself. many times a very closed egoic person will label somebody with more awareness as insane, just because they can't understand anything beyond their own level of perception. so that is another answer to your question.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Boots]
#7985907 - 02/06/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Boots said: I don't believe in destiny nor some dormant divine power, but I do believe I am destined for greatness.
Me too!
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7985945 - 02/06/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said: for me spirituality is realizing our conditioning, the process that has been integrated into our minds through years and years of external babble. we heard the external babble so much that an internal babbling took form. we keep this internal babble running by identifying with babble in the outside world. without this external babble it may feel as though we are going insane. spirituality for me is being aware of this internal process that is the conditioned mind. i am spiritual in that i make it a practice to be aware of this. it is cultivation of awareness, taking control of our lives and not being a slave to the machine like so many people are.
If this is what you meant by spirituality, then yes, I am spiritual.
Do others consider you to be spiritual?
I doubt it. I don't really talk to others about my views or opinions and if I do, I leave out a lot of stuff. My knowledge is for me and me alone.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: deranger]
#7986173 - 02/06/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: That's exactly the answer I was looking for man! If I could give you a rating, I'd give you 5 shrooms for that!
So in your opinion, then, would being TOO spiritual mean you are insane?
insanity is just a word i used to describe the feeling of realizing the self, when the wheel of the mind comes to a stop. it can be shattering and confusing at first, but just like on the comeup of a mushroom trip there can be a breakthrough point and everything becomes purrfect. but i guess ultimately it is up to you whether or not you take control of yourself. many times a very closed egoic person will label somebody with more awareness as insane, just because they can't understand anything beyond their own level of perception. so that is another answer to your question.
So what you're saying is that since what the very closed egoic think is insane really isn't, does that make them truly insane? Do we live in a world of insane lunatics, with a only a few who get the big picture? Or are the few who "get the big picture" the true lunatics?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7986225 - 02/06/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is that since what the very closed egoic think is insane really isn't, does that make them truly insane?
Not exactly, it depends on your definition of insanity and whether or not you want to use such labels to classify people. Like I said, I was just using the term insanity to describe a feeling I had within myself. A feeling of "derangement" if you will.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: deranger]
#7986598 - 02/06/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said: So what you're saying is that since what the very closed egoic think is insane really isn't, does that make them truly insane?
Not exactly, it depends on your definition of insanity and whether or not you want to use such labels to classify people. Like I said, I was just using the term insanity to describe a feeling I had within myself. A feeling of "derangement" if you will.
I know exactly what you mean.
So do you think there is even a such thing as insanity?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7986643 - 02/06/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do. Voices, thought broadcasting(telepathy??), and thought insertion too... Reality pressed undo... Or Redo... True and poo!! Now you've got 2.
This is more than a feeling too. Makes you wonder who's who and who's you.
Its like an echo-locating ventriloquist with the voices in your head. Also thought I was dead.
Impressive forces contacted but unfortunately diffused by the alien block in my stack.
I went insane. A feeling of derangement?? Just not the same.
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: Poid]
#7987360 - 02/06/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: I know exactly what you mean.
So do you think there is even a such thing as insanity?
you crack me up man 
yes, like psychosis (drug induced psychosis in my case). loss of control of self, thinking that killing a person is right, etc...
a few days ago there was this schizo walking behind me screaming at me in german... she was acting pretty insane.
i am pretty fucking insane 
i also don't take this stuff too seriously.
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backfromthedead said:Its like an echo-locating ventriloquist with the voices in your head. Also thought I was dead.
that sounds utterly familiar 
Now you've got 2.
im trying to remember the time when i thought i had one....
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Re: What is spirituality? [Re: deranger]
#7987396 - 02/06/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i gotta say, i don't like it when people insert thoughts into my head. strange things happen to my energy even if i'm in a closed state, feels like a break in my identity.
i don't know how it's done either, i guess usually when you project something at someone, it doesn't come back at you, they sort of react to your projection.. with a more aware person, your projection has nowhere to go and it gets confused.
i like being in the presence of someone who is on a higher level of perception that most people but at the same time it can hurt.
at least i've been there so i know what is happening when it is, otherwise i might resent that person.
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