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Bejeezis
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WBS vs BRF (My Experience)
#7979649 - 02/04/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, I inoculated 4 BRF (Brown Rice Flour) and 6 WBS (Wild Bird Seed)Pint Jars about 6 Days ago.
The BRF are around 10% - 15%.
The WBS are FULLY colonized. 
I used the same syringe for both, same incubation chamber, same everything.
While this is in no way a well conducted experiment since it could be as simple as a lack of moisture or verm to BRF ratio, It proves to me that WBS is easy.
I followed Doc's WBS Tek to the letter and I've tried multiple PF Teks with BRF... My BRF jars usually take at least 2 weeks to fully colonize (sometimes much longer) and the fact that my WBS jars were at 100% by the first week has changed my methods completely.
So for all you new guyz and galz who are trying to decide between WBS or BRF for your first or second grow. Save yourself some time and go for the WBS. Just follow a tek, don't try to skip steps or rush any part of the tek and you'll be glad you didn't bother with that messy BRF. 
CHEERS!
P.S. I'll post some pics for the hell of it tomorrow when I find some time.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7979720 - 02/04/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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did you shake the brf or wbs jars?
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tahoe]
#7979766 - 02/04/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I shook the WBS after inoculation and at 50% which was about 48 hours ago.
I didn't shake the BRF so it would make sense that they took longer. But shaking the BRFs would be a bad idea with the PF tek style setup (Dry verm filter layer). I suppose I can't blame the substrate since, you're right, the WBS had an advantage. As for the teks... PF is much, much slower to say the least.
I did try shaking a BRF jar from a previous batch when it was at about 80% colonization. I found it impossible to break up the cake in the jar and gave up on that idea.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7979785 - 02/04/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can't break up a cake inside a jar unless it has individual inoculation ports....that's like trying to break up a paint can of tar ... as much as you try its going to do anything...scoop it out with a spoon if you have to...or take it and dumb straight into a bag as fast as possible and crumble....better THO to just take it out and use a sterilized cheese greater as breaking up the cake that way serves for finer/better inoculation ports.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7979796 - 02/04/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bejeezis said: I shook the WBS after inoculation and at 50% which was about 48 hours ago.
I didn't shake the BRF so it would make sense that they took longer..
so what is the point of this post. We all know that grain colonizes faster than cakes. You went on to tell us about the syringe and the amount of solution but if you put 5 cc's in a brf cake and 1/2 cc in a grain jar the grain jar would colonize faster.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tahoe]
#7979812 - 02/04/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Because it has more inoculation points.
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yeah but hear is the way i see it . I did the same thing noc'ed brf the same time as wbs. If you really think about it you have to spawn that because the wbs does not have the nutri to provide to the myc so then you spawn. Then you wait another week or so then you fruit. No if you are casing your brf's then yeah it will take longer or just as long.but lets say you birth your brf's to your FC. Then you have a ready to go sub and there is no wait for it to coli the sub you are spawning to. I would say if you want it to be faster then do brf. I would say it takes about a week off give or take conditions.RR RULESSSS peace I'm drunk and I'm out bitches !!!!!!PEACE!!!!!!!
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tahoe]
#7979953 - 02/04/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tahoe said:
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Bejeezis said: I shook the WBS after inoculation and at 50% which was about 48 hours ago.
I didn't shake the BRF so it would make sense that they took longer..
so what is the point of this post. We all know that grain colonizes faster than cakes. You went on to tell us about the syringe and the amount of solution but if you put 5 cc's in a brf cake and 1/2 cc in a grain jar the grain jar would colonize faster.
There has to be a point? 
I just thought I'd reinforce common knowledge and put a "my experience" post out there. Just like when people post their grow logs.
We all know mushrooms grow... it's just nice to hear what a variety of other people experienced along the way.
I do apologize if you wasted your time, but it was clearly placed in the subject title... jeeeeeeesh 
As for the CCs, they were the same. Why would I inject more into one than the other?
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tahoe]
#7980038 - 02/04/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tahoe said: so what is the point of this post. We all know that grain colonizes faster than cakes. You went on to tell us about the syringe and the amount of solution but if you put 5 cc's in a brf cake and 1/2 cc in a grain jar the grain jar would colonize faster.
what are the points of any of your posts? simply to be a dick and to "slay newbs". must be an exciting life
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: shroober]
#7980048 - 02/04/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i am just being a dick tonight. Grain is better for bulk grows, you/we know this. Cakes are better for noobs as long as they do not come in here and start reading shit they do not understand and try to implement it into their cakes.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tahoe]
#7980084 - 02/04/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Because it has more inoculation points.
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Bejeezis
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dumbfounded1600 said: Because it has more inoculation points.
LoL Understood
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tahoe]
#7980221 - 02/04/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tahoe said: i am just being a dick tonight. Grain is better for bulk grows, you/we know this. Cakes are better for noobs as long as they do not come in here and start reading shit they do not understand and try to implement it into their cakes.
Aye, this forum would never be the bountiful resource that it is if it weren't for your dutiful policing of these posts. Think of all the innovative experimentation that could be avoided if only we'd all take your insults and slander to heart and give up because we found ourselves to be lacking the hard-earned experience that the "pros" such as yourself hold over us.
This forum is for teaching the ignorant in the ways of mycology. Go ahead and do it in your own self-righteous, condescending manner. But maybe you could try to stick to mycology rather than holding pissing contests with new members just because you are in a bad mood. It wastes the time of the people that are here to make this place a haven of knowledge for us "noobs".
For a guy who hates new students, you sure do spend a lot of time in the elementary section.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7980263 - 02/04/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bejeezis said:
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tahoe said: i am just being a dick tonight. Grain is better for bulk grows, you/we know this. Cakes are better for noobs as long as they do not come in here and start reading shit they do not understand and try to implement it into their cakes.
For a guy who hates new students, you sure do spend a lot of time in the elementary section.
fcuking OWNED. WELCOME TO LEET GAMES, tahoe-GTFO plz
OP- Really glad to hear your success, I inoculated 4 quarts of WBS yesterday-hope my grow is as successful as yours. Thanks for posting!! Always nice to hear of a success
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: greystealth]
#7980486 - 02/04/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lmfao! Everyone around here is always bickering at each other, I think if people didn't put posts up like this one then the forums would be DEAD. Posts like this also help many of the newer growers learn the ropes and see what outperforms what.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: budzeno]
#7980530 - 02/04/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tahoe is sometimes an arrogant prick but he gives sufficient advice unlike you so please...proceed to your left at GTFO exit and make a left on the Bitch Please avenue...<greystealth>
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take a look at your screenname, pal. 
gg no re, n00b
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: greystealth]
#7981204 - 02/05/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am doing my first grow using WBS and I was intrigued to read the op's info.
I'm not thinking my 6 1 pint wbs jars will colonize in 6 days but at least I now know it's surely possible.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: greystealth]
#7981234 - 02/05/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The forum clearly states that you must be 18 years of age to sign up. Please act like it. Just because you all burned tahoe doesnt mean you get to hijack the post with your own bitching about longer standing members.
"This forum is for teaching the ignorant in the ways of mycology. Go ahead and do it in your own self-righteous, condescending manner. But maybe you could try to stick to mycology rather than holding pissing contests with new members just because you are in a bad mood. It wastes the time of the people that are here to make this place a haven of knowledge for us "noobs"."
What the hell are you sniffing? glue!?!! Youre not making wrongs right or serving justice with this shit. If youre such a supporter, why are you being a self righteous, condescending, time wasting asshole yourself? (only to put it in your own words.) you could just as well ignore his posts. you have that option.
You have 67 posts... please get used to the forum and handling criticism. we all get a lot of it.
Tahoe... dont be such an ass. some people cant handle it. Some things have no purpose...
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All I said was I liked the info...
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Bejeezis
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"What the hell are you sniffing? glue!?!! You're not making wrongs right or serving justice with this shit. If you're such a supporter, why are you being a self righteous, condescending, time wasting asshole yourself? (only to put it in your own words.) you could just as well ignore his posts. you have that option."
I defended my thread and told someone what was on my mind in response to his doing the same to me. I have the option to respond as well. What have you accomplished by coming in here and informing me of my hypocrisy? You think you're any better by coming into a thread only to tell me that I shouldn't tell people how to act? What are you doing different? I can at least say in my defense that this was my own damn post and I didn't initiate the off topic flaming. I just decided to be active in my thread rather than let someone insult me and stand by quietly. I don't chase dicks down in other threads and tell them that they're being dicks so STFU and go start your own justice-dispensing, time-wasting thread. I have mine.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7981605 - 02/05/08 07:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bejeezis said:
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tahoe said: i am just being a dick tonight. Grain is better for bulk grows, you/we know this. Cakes are better for noobs as long as they do not come in here and start reading shit they do not understand and try to implement it into their cakes.
Aye, this forum would never be the bountiful resource that it is if it weren't for your dutiful policing of these posts. Think of all the innovative experimentation that could be avoided if only we'd all take your insults and slander to heart and give up because we found ourselves to be lacking the hard-earned experience that the "pros" such as yourself hold over us.
This forum is for teaching the ignorant in the ways of mycology. Go ahead and do it in your own self-righteous, condescending manner. But maybe you could try to stick to mycology rather than holding pissing contests with new members just because you are in a bad mood. It wastes the time of the people that are here to make this place a haven of knowledge for us "noobs".
For a guy who hates new students, you sure do spend a lot of time in the elementary section.
BURN! 
That being said, congratulations on your successful testing. Not everybody believes without seeing. It's a virtue to retest something that has already been tested. It is the foundation of experimenting.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7981607 - 02/05/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will not respond to any more off topic replies.
Thank you to everyone who commented on my OP! I will be posting my results after I spawn the birdseed to Horse Manure and case with a 50/50 mix.
The PF Jars will be birthed and left as cakes when they finally finish.
Cheers!
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7981615 - 02/05/08 07:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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One question, I didn't see it in your posts, and I apologize if you wrote it but I didn't see it.
Did you use LC or multispore? If you used LC which tek were you using?
Cheers.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Neobean]
#7981625 - 02/05/08 07:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Multispore my friend!
I have yet to dabble in LC.
Cheers!
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Bejeezis]
#7981643 - 02/05/08 07:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should!
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Neobean]
#7981823 - 02/05/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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congratulations once again my friend, too many burnt-out cynics here.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: greystealth]
#7981946 - 02/05/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bejeezis - Stop it now...You need to calm down...your lucky we even posted on this poopoo...its such horse shit we had to criticize. Greystealth shh....your still on your first grow so watch your mouth.
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dumbfounded1600 said: Bejeezis - Stop it now...You need to calm down...your lucky we even posted on this poopoo...its such horse shit we had to criticize. Greystealth shh....your still on your first grow so watch your mouth.
If you have nothing constructive to say, don't say anything at all. We have enough "n00b slayers" in here without adding you to the list.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: shevanel]
#7982316 - 02/05/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you were not targeted for that comment. I apologize.
I do like the info myself. I find my wbs to also colonize far more rapidly than brf cakes. Then again, I experiment with panaeolus and I still havent and wont try cubensis.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: shevanel]
#7982606 - 02/05/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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keep me updated on how the WBS jars turn out and how you plan to case them would interest me.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: tonyshroom]
#7983040 - 02/05/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tonyshroom said: yeah but hear is the way i see it . I did the same thing noc'ed brf the same time as wbs. If you really think about it you have to spawn that because the wbs does not have the nutri to provide to the myc so then you spawn. Then you wait another week or so then you fruit. No if you are casing your brf's then yeah it will take longer or just as long.but lets say you birth your brf's to your FC. Then you have a ready to go sub and there is no wait for it to coli the sub you are spawning to. I would say if you want it to be faster then do brf. I would say it takes about a week off give or take conditions.RR RULESSSS peace I'm drunk and I'm out bitches !!!!!!PEACE!!!!!!!
this is wrong i am sorry. WBS has plenty of nutrients in it, but it does not have enough water. so you can do a rezz effect or a regular bulk sub depending on matierials and ratios it can take 3-14 days usually. do a late casing which adds no time to colonization. lets say it took 6 days for your WBS to colonize thats 9-20 days for it to be ready to fruit. how long does it take for the BRF cakes?
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: xdaveman]
#7983047 - 02/05/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have seen some amazing flushes posted here on straight WBS cased with 50/50+.
Hell, check out Doc34s grows on wbs with a coir casing!
I have never tried WBS but it sounds like it rocks.
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Re: WBS vs BRF (My Experience) [Re: Day Tripper]
#7983649 - 02/05/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Day Tripper said: I have seen some amazing flushes posted here on straight WBS cased with 50/50+.
Hell, check out Doc34s grows on wbs with a coir casing!
I have never tried WBS but it sounds like it rocks.
I was originally going to case the WBS straight since i have no experience in casings or WBS and I've seen some nice grows accomplished that way.
But I have free access to horse poo so i figured i might as well go for it. I currently have about 30 pounds in a bucket on my deck waiting for me do decide what to do with it!
I've spent a good 7 or 8 hours researching poo and have a few questions so I'll just start a new thread (this one has become a "know your role" flame fest anyway). I'll keep posting my progress and what road bumps i encounter along the way. Once again, thank you to everyone who had something on topic, productive and/or positive to say.
Off to post my plan for this next grow and see what i can learn!
Cheers!
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