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OfflineTurricaN
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Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy?
    #7977997 - 02/04/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/

For those that can receive BBC2 (For the rest of us, there's always BitTorrent :wink:)

Quote:

Tuesday 5th February 2008, 9pm, BBC Two

Recent research has analysed the link between the harmful effects of drugs relative to their current classification by law with some startling conclusions. Perhaps most startling of all is that alcohol, solvents and tobacco (all unclassified drugs) are rated more dangerous than ecstasy, 4-MTA and LSD (all class A drugs). If the current ABC system is retained, alcohol would be rated a class A drug and tobacco class B.

The scientists involved, including members of the government's top advisory committee on drug classification, have produced a rigorous assessment of the social and individual harm caused by 20 of the UK's most dangerous drugs and believe this should form the basis of future ranking. They think the current ABC system is arbitrary and not based on any scientific evidence.

The drug policies have remained unchanged over the last 40 years so should they be reformed in the light of new research?




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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: TurricaN]
    #7978060 - 02/04/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

nice


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: TurricaN]
    #7978075 - 02/04/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

badass... but wait..
what the fuck is 4-mta?


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7978183 - 02/04/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomDoom said:
badass... but wait..
what the fuck is 4-mta?




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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7978292 - 02/04/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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the current ABC system is arbitrary and not based on any scientific evidence.



pwned. This is great news.


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7978562 - 02/04/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7978575 - 02/04/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomDoom said:
badass... but wait..
what the fuck is 4-mta?




http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4mta/4mta.shtml

I had no idea what that was either.


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7978583 - 02/04/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are they serious? I mean great, but I cannot even imagine the United States having a scientific approach to drug policy based on which drugs are most harmful. It blows my mind that people in the UK aren't completely retarded like they are here (at least in comparable numbers and influence).

Over here the mentality is that we've had to fight for our right to have arbitrary and unscientific policy and nobody better try to take it away!


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7978657 - 02/04/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
Are they serious? I mean great, but I cannot even imagine the United States having a scientific approach to drug policy based on which drugs are most harmful. It blows my mind that people in the UK aren't completely retarded like they are here (at least in comparable numbers and influence).

Over here the mentality is that we've had to fight for our right to have arbitrary and unscientific policy and nobody better try to take it away!




I don't know the uk has skunk weed and refers to grow ops as cannabis factories...


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: THEBats]
    #7978864 - 02/04/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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They think the current ABC system is arbitrary and not based on any scientific evidence.





Kinda like... Most countries that 'outlaw' psychoactives?


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: HighHat]
    #7980950 - 02/04/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Are they serious? I mean great, but I cannot even imagine the United States having a scientific approach to drug policy based on which drugs are most harmful. It blows my mind that people in the UK aren't completely retarded like they are here (at least in comparable numbers and influence).

Over here the mentality is that we've had to fight for our right to have arbitrary and unscientific policy and nobody better try to take it away!




This is America, there's no place quite like it..what else can I say.


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7981362 - 02/05/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Siekoaktiv said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-MTA




might as well label it cyanide


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: TurricaN]
    #7981420 - 02/05/08 03:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Professor David Nutt will be on it, he is the guy who was the main force in putting all this evidence together and is one of the people with the most influence on the government over drugs decisions. Pity they don't listen much.


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: TurricaN]
    #7981934 - 02/05/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'll record it and rip it for you folk laters :smile:


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: Cepheus]
    #7982821 - 02/05/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thanks TurricaN, I'll be tuning in.
By the way, the other night there was a report on NewsNight(BBC2) debating the possible reclassification of cannabis back to class B. The report was very open-minded and fair...one of the main points was that cannabis use has not really been affected by the class C classification. Therefor, no reason to change it back to class B.
I like NewsNight for being quite impartial.
Plus, I imagine, with prison overcrowding here, soft crime like drugs will take a back seat.

At the moment, there really seems to be a crusade against alcohol abuse in the UK. Rightfully so to an extent...

Anyway, looking forward to watching Horizon in 5min.


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: akb112211]
    #7982963 - 02/05/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well that was interesting...well done!
Most people on here should feel vindicated after watching that report.

Here is their list. Number 20 being the least dangerous. Strange that mushrooms, salvia, and various tryptamines are excluded. I imagine those would be considered somewhere near to LSD. Or, not even enough of a concern to be on the list.
20. Khat
19. alkyl nitrate
18. ecstasy
17. GHB
16. Anabolic Steroids
15. Methylphenidate(ritalin)
14. LSD
13. 4mta
12. solvents
11. cannabis
10. buprenorphine
9. Tobacco
8. Amphetamine
7. Benzodiazepenes (various)
6. Ketamine
5. Alcohol
4. Street methadone
3. Barbituates
2. Cocaine
1. Heroin


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OfflineTurricaN
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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: akb112211]
    #7982980 - 02/05/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The list had already been published long before the show (several times on this website in fact). :smile:

But it's nice to finally hear the reasoning behind the order; very interesting show.


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: TurricaN]
    #7983016 - 02/05/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, didn't realise that. I must not get around much. And I thought I was seeing some groundbreaking stuff.
Interesting none the less.:ohwell:

I wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't started the thread. Thanks


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: akb112211]
    #7983052 - 02/05/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What do they mean by solvents? Surely not stuff like huffing household chemicals? That seems pretty harmful to me, certainly more than cannabis. How does this list work? Am I missing something?


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: Cepheus]
    #7983808 - 02/05/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Cepheus said:
I'll record it and rip it for you folk laters :smile:




any word? :wink:


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: rexmundi]
    #7984342 - 02/05/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Edited by THEBats (02/05/08 08:24 PM)


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: THEBats]
    #7988583 - 02/06/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

anyone record it or happen to find it online?


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Re: Tuesday BBC2 9PM GMT: Horizon: Is Alcohol worse than Ecstasy? [Re: usg543]
    #7995838 - 02/08/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

apparently it's divided into parts which compare each drug to alcohol.

Heres the first part:

&feature=related

I believe all can be found on youtube.


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