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Offlinepuantik
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coir bulk grow- small yields-pics!
    #7977525 - 02/04/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey guys,

im a having a first flush now from my first bulk growing attempt and im pretty happy about it, but the reason im posting now is because im disappointed from amount of pinning i have. i expected more from a bulk grow.
I have two containers in each almost a quart of crumbled BRF cakes spawned in ratio of 1:3 to pasteurized coir @ coffee and cased with 50:50 peat and verm. I know that there a lot of factors involved but please can anyone tell me what Ive done wrong. and what can I do after the first flush to increase pinning.

first container:

second:

thats my misty:

peace guys.


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: puantik]
    #7977565 - 02/04/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wait to see what your total yield is before you judge.

Sounds like your casing is 3-4 quarts of sub, so that's not a huge amount to begin with, but a nice size.

You might need to patch if you are seeing an uneven colonization of the casing layer.


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Day Tripper]
    #7977603 - 02/04/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they are both patched...
all the bulk tays i have seen here were full of shrooms:confused:


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: puantik]
    #7977634 - 02/04/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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puantik said:
they are both patched...
all the bulk tays i have seen here were full of shrooms:confused:




That is because people rarely boast an unsuccessful harvest :smile: Don't be disappointed.

And most of the bulk images you have seen are probably done with hpoo and such. What did you use?


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Neobean]
    #7977672 - 02/04/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I used coir as substrate, and I also have many aborts
anyone ? ideas?


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: puantik]
    #7977678 - 02/04/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Normally coir is a casing material, not a substrate...


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Neobean]
    #7977691 - 02/04/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: puantik]
    #7977699 - 02/04/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Spawn rye to coir/verm with 10% gypsum and case with a pH adjusted peat/verm, shoot for 7.5-8 to start.

Rye to Coir/Verm/Gypsum

Cased with 50/50+, you can't lose if you have clean habits, sterile procedures, FAE, moisture, and light (6500 kelvin)


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: puantik]
    #7977725 - 02/04/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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puantik said:
well before u say that check this out:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6004845#6004845




I remember this tek from a while back and I stand corrected. However you rarely see coir as a stand alone bulk material. Were you unable to find other ingredients which have been proven to perform better?


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Neobean]
    #7977751 - 02/04/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

IMHO, 50/50 coir/verm with 10% gypsum is the standard alternative to hpoo.

There has been a coir revolution in many areas in the past 2 years.


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Day Tripper]
    #7977839 - 02/04/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Coir has as much fungi food as manure. It's not suited as a casing unless horribly diluted with verm.

That's not a half bad pinset for such a small substrate. If you want more, use a larger tray and/or isolate a good fruiting strain.
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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7977856 - 02/04/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yea man thats a good pinset, I wouldnt be disappointed if I were you

atm I have a really nice pin set developing in a bread pan of rye to coir + coffee
I'll post pictures once they get a little bigger


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Day Tripper]
    #7977864 - 02/04/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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However you rarely see coir as a stand alone bulk material. Were you unable to find other ingredients which have been proven to perform better?



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crumbled BRF cakes spawned in ratio of 1:3 to pasteurized coir @ coffee




Coir is an excellent bulk substrate. However, it works better when given a nitrogen boost from spent coffee grounds, or castings. Keep at it. Make sure your levels are ideal. Ensure adequate FAE, and high RH, and you may find better results if those things are a little lacking. Also, toss in 5-10% gypsum by volume into your next sub, and that may help out a little.

Another reason you're seeing wall to wall flushes from some of the other growers around here, is because they are isolating the most rhizomorphic growth they can. That really helps increase the quality of the pin-setting. Don't get discouraged.


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: Neobean]
    #7978160 - 02/04/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Neobean said:
Normally coir is a casing material, not a substrate...




in bizzaro world this is absolutely true, in the real world its the exact opposite


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: shroober]
    #7983279 - 02/05/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

weird i dont know why was beaching about actually i harvested nice amounts.... now drying ILL post later about weight.
guess all those bulk grow photos of isolated strains made me a bit greedy.
bom on us all.
ciao


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: puantik]
    #7990476 - 02/07/08 03:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

first flush for the 2 trays:
26g cracker dry.


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7990556 - 02/07/08 05:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Coir has as much fungi food as manure. It's not suited as a casing unless horribly diluted with verm.

RR



my friend got lazy one day when he ran outta verm, and decided to grate and case 7 cakes with 60%coir 30% peat and 10%shell flour. and he got the most beautiful pinset of his life. better than when he used 5050 on wheat to coir.

but then again, they were cakes and not bulk sub.


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Re: coir bulk grow- small yields-pics! [Re: galadar]
    #23991697 - 01/08/17 07:09 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I am thoroughly confused about coir. I have used it for plants as a soil less hydroponic medium for plants and in the plant world coir is used for its high water capacity. It has no nutritional value. No available nitrogen or anything else except sodium if it is not rinsed. The salt thing is not true with higher quality brands. My confusion comes from if used for plants has no nutritional value then how does it add nutes when used for bulk? Is it the fact that coir can hold like 300 times its weigh in water that gives the great yeilds when used? Makes sense to me but there lies another question.  Mushrooms really need a ton of nutrients to thrithrivecan they thrive from almost water  alone? Ok I see it has micro nutrients like potassium and iron but not near enough to support full plant growth. With the results that people are getting with coir it may be worth looking into the importance of these specific nutrients to our fungus and from there we can experiment with the addition of these micro nutrients in our growourI will have to investigate this further.


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